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Who has done this, and what are the benefits? It is pricey, and the oxygen sensors are big and bulky. So far I have not been able to justify this in my mind. I would be interested in any comments people have.
Its not much more money for the Autotune. I like to have the piece of mind that the PCV is constantly keeping the front and rear cyl. at optimum levels independently of each other. I had it dynoed at the dealer after I installed it and they said its neat to watch the autotune work and keep the bike at optimum levels. It is also good if you add performance parts like big bore kits and cams. I havent paid much attention but they say it will optimize your fuel mileage.
Who has done this, and what are the benefits? It is pricey, and the oxygen sensors are big and bulky. So far I have not been able to justify this in my mind. I would be interested in any comments people have.
The AT's O2 sensors aren't any or much larger than the stockers. I've had AT for about seven months now and wouldn't go back, but I think for most riders it is unnecessary. It's an asset for those who want to change their configuration more than once and/or incorrigible tweakers (like me). It's nice to be able to tweak various areas and know exactly what AFR you will get without guessing.
If you bought a PCV from Fuel Moto with one of their maps I wouldn't invest in AT unless the above conditions exist.
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I was faced with dyno tuning mine because i had cams and 103". Not much difference in buying the auto-tune. Glad i did. You can have all your power and if you know how to set AFR you can get your mileage too.
Is it safe to say that AT will adjust to maximize fuel mileage under light throttle conditions, and do the same to maximize performance when your up on the step?
Is it safe to say that AT will adjust to maximize fuel mileage under light throttle conditions, and do the same to maximize performance when your up on the step?
Yes. I have mine set for 14.5-14.6 in the cruise range, which for me is 2-3k @ 5-15% TP, and transition to 13.0 @ 80-100% TP. That way I'm getting the mileage at part throttle and the performance when I twist the wrist. Add an oil cooler and you may not have heat issues with the lean AFR's, too.
The good thing about the PCV is that you can also add a switch that will allow you to toggle between AT (closed-loop) mode and the base map (open-loop). I have Fuel Moto's richer base map with lean AFR's in the cruise range, so AT trims to those settings. Thus, if things get too hot like in summer traffic I can switch AT off and run on the richer base map to keep things cooler. The system works very well for me, but I think most people would be very happy with just the basic PCV with a good map.
I guess there is something I don't understand about AT. You talk about settings? I thought AT made the adjustments for you depending on your conditions. I can adjust my PCV already so why would I need AT.
I guess there is something I don't understand about AT. You talk about settings? I thought AT made the adjustments for you depending on your conditions. I can adjust my PCV already so why would I need AT.
Auto Tune adjusts the AFR on the fly as you ride, to the AFR you set in the map. It "trims" the base map +or- to get the desired AFR in each cell then you can choose to save the trims to the base map or allow the AT to work as a "separate" map.
From what's been said here I not convinced that extra money for AT is worth it for me. I'm running a stock 96 with stock cams. All I'm running is the equivalent of a Stage 1 upgrade. It doesn't sound like AT will do much for me.
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