88" to 95" ideas
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talked with the builder again today(jason of faribault h-d) and spoke about some of the concerns listed here such as compression, lugging, the engine, grade of fuel etc. i explained to him more about how i liked to ride and hes seemed very confident that this build would fit me needs and most likely exceed them. the more i talk to him the more confident i get about pulling the trigger on this build.
i would be using my existing jugs and he would bore them out himself to get a good fit with the pistons. the info you folks have given me has really opened my eyes and made me really think about the choices im making. dont worry ill keep you posted on the build and post a dyno. oh yes, also if the engine blows up ill come back and tell you so some of you can throw out the "I TOLD YOU SO!"s
another thing i would like some opinions is exhaust. currently i have bub true duals that i had put on when i bought the bike and theyll get me by for awhile. sooner or later ill want to change them and am wondering what exhaust would complement a build like this. the only criteria is that id like to keep duals out the back. thanks again!
i would be using my existing jugs and he would bore them out himself to get a good fit with the pistons. the info you folks have given me has really opened my eyes and made me really think about the choices im making. dont worry ill keep you posted on the build and post a dyno. oh yes, also if the engine blows up ill come back and tell you so some of you can throw out the "I TOLD YOU SO!"s
another thing i would like some opinions is exhaust. currently i have bub true duals that i had put on when i bought the bike and theyll get me by for awhile. sooner or later ill want to change them and am wondering what exhaust would complement a build like this. the only criteria is that id like to keep duals out the back. thanks again!
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If ya want to keep duals might as well stay with the ones you have. I felt the same way for the last 5 years until I saw a Street Glide with a Rinehart 2-1 and it looked and sounded sweet.
I ended up purchasing a Vance and Hines Pro Pipe 2-1 and a heav breather. They are still in boxes but will be installed and dynoed. Should see better low rpm torque with this due to scavenging. So mt Rinehart TDs are coming off.
Good luck to you and I will post my dyno results in March sometime.
Ed
I ended up purchasing a Vance and Hines Pro Pipe 2-1 and a heav breather. They are still in boxes but will be installed and dynoed. Should see better low rpm torque with this due to scavenging. So mt Rinehart TDs are coming off.
Good luck to you and I will post my dyno results in March sometime.
Ed
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You may have your mind made up and have gotten plenty of advice but here's another take anyway. Good luck with the build, whatever you do.
1. baisley heads
Good heads but you can save some money here.
2. high compression pistons(10.5 to 1)
H-D or aftermarket? Cast or forged? Cast will get the job done at a lower cost.
3. hydaulic camplate upgrade
Good move; higher capacity pump for better scavenging and flow.
4. 95" jugs
Why not go to 98"?
6. lifters
H-D "B" is good enough.
7. clutch plates
With only 5500 miles, you probably don't need these
8. heavier clutch spring
OK but consider the E-Z pull setup.
9. cometic gaskets
Good stuff.
10. initial tune followed up by an oil change and dyno tune at 1k
OK
11. woods cams
You didn't mention which cam but all Woods cams have aggressive ramps, require heavier springs which all adds up to valve train noise. Can't knock Woods cams, they do make power but the Woods cammed builds I have beene exposed to were noisy.
You didn't mention pushrods but if you are going the adjustable route (you can save money by running stock if the geometry works out) consider the new Smith Brothers "Quick" intall units. Just came out in mid-December and very solid hardware.
You could probably knock off $1000 and get close enough to your goal that your butt dyno wouldn't care what the dyno chart says. It takes about 5TQ to register on the butt dyno.
AMS has a 96" kit including cylinders, pistons and CNC ported heads for just under $1000.
As others have pointed out, be careful chasing numbers. That 116TQ number is 1.2 foot pounds/cubic inch; not impossible but everything has to be just right to get there.
Originally Posted by Gigantor
ok, got another quote and see if i can get some feedback on whether its a good deal or not.
Good heads but you can save some money here.
2. high compression pistons(10.5 to 1)
H-D or aftermarket? Cast or forged? Cast will get the job done at a lower cost.
3. hydaulic camplate upgrade
Good move; higher capacity pump for better scavenging and flow.
4. 95" jugs
Why not go to 98"?
6. lifters
H-D "B" is good enough.
7. clutch plates
With only 5500 miles, you probably don't need these
8. heavier clutch spring
OK but consider the E-Z pull setup.
9. cometic gaskets
Good stuff.
10. initial tune followed up by an oil change and dyno tune at 1k
OK
11. woods cams
You didn't mention which cam but all Woods cams have aggressive ramps, require heavier springs which all adds up to valve train noise. Can't knock Woods cams, they do make power but the Woods cammed builds I have beene exposed to were noisy.
You didn't mention pushrods but if you are going the adjustable route (you can save money by running stock if the geometry works out) consider the new Smith Brothers "Quick" intall units. Just came out in mid-December and very solid hardware.
You could probably knock off $1000 and get close enough to your goal that your butt dyno wouldn't care what the dyno chart says. It takes about 5TQ to register on the butt dyno.
AMS has a 96" kit including cylinders, pistons and CNC ported heads for just under $1000.
Originally Posted by Gigantor
similar build using these parts by the builder got 105 hp 116 torque. the work will be done by faribault, mn harley dealer who has gotten a few kudos on this board. the price is just shy of 4k out the door which includes pick up and delivery. so, good deal or not?
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After carefully considering matters such low to mid range torque, reliability, lugging, grade of fuel, etc., I decided to use Joe Minton's build recommendations on my 2001 Roadking Classic and have been delighted with the results. You can read a lot about this on the net.
While touring 14 western states this fall, regardless of temperature or altitude I had plently of power and no pinging even when 93 octane gas was not available. There is nothing flashy about the Joe Minton build but I do not feel that the performance is lacking in any way either. Friends who ride the newer 96" bikes are very impressed with my bikes performance.
While touring 14 western states this fall, regardless of temperature or altitude I had plently of power and no pinging even when 93 octane gas was not available. There is nothing flashy about the Joe Minton build but I do not feel that the performance is lacking in any way either. Friends who ride the newer 96" bikes are very impressed with my bikes performance.
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As you have probly made your mind up already. Heres what I did and got out of mine. I went from 88" to 98" something to consider over the 95". I could have easily gotten over 100hp, but reliablety and milage would suffer big time.My hp is only 94 but the tq is impressive at 110lb. I still get over 40 mpg when I don't act insain with it. My compression is 9.7:1 so no need for CRV. And yes the 2 to 1 exhaust will give better #'s. I had 2 to 1 Thunderheader on mine at the time of the build, and they went from mild to wild with the S&S 510 cams. I have sence gone with 2 to 1 Supertrapps and gained 2 more lb tq because of a little more back pressure. All 20 plate and open end.
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cam noise
I cannot say about the woods, but my SE 257 cams make a bit of noise. A bit of light clatter. Kinda like a V8 with solid lifters, but after a short bit ya get used to it, hell we are talking about adding performance and they are Harleys with the stock pipes removed! Lest face it - its not a Goldwing! It makes noise or I prefer to to say it has good sound!
If thats someones worry - keep it stock, get full face helmets and microphones, matching jackets, and white tennis shoes for you and your passenger! It will be quiet and you can have a love chat while riding.
Build that puppy and let her eat!!
If thats someones worry - keep it stock, get full face helmets and microphones, matching jackets, and white tennis shoes for you and your passenger! It will be quiet and you can have a love chat while riding.
Build that puppy and let her eat!!
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thought id update this.
i have been ridding the bike for 2 weeks now with the new engine build and love it. it seems to be getting better and better each day as it breaks in. the torque is pretty impressive even running 2 up. i dont have any numbers yet because im just running a generic map for the first 800 or so miles until it gets final tuned.
i will say this, people were right about the noise from the cams. going from stock to those is eye, or ear rather, opening. 1 thing i dont really like but have gotten used to is that i MUST stay above 2k rpms, so i kinda had to change my riding style. gas octane isnt a real big issue as most stations have 92 around here. i suppose ill get a few packets of additive just in case.
after doing this build i know one thing...im now a power addict! ive already started researching a build for my wifes bike(little does she know!
). thanks again for all the input and feedback and ill be sure to post up the numbers when it gets final tuned.
i have been ridding the bike for 2 weeks now with the new engine build and love it. it seems to be getting better and better each day as it breaks in. the torque is pretty impressive even running 2 up. i dont have any numbers yet because im just running a generic map for the first 800 or so miles until it gets final tuned.
i will say this, people were right about the noise from the cams. going from stock to those is eye, or ear rather, opening. 1 thing i dont really like but have gotten used to is that i MUST stay above 2k rpms, so i kinda had to change my riding style. gas octane isnt a real big issue as most stations have 92 around here. i suppose ill get a few packets of additive just in case.
after doing this build i know one thing...im now a power addict! ive already started researching a build for my wifes bike(little does she know!
). thanks again for all the input and feedback and ill be sure to post up the numbers when it gets final tuned.
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a huge amount of 88's have been changed over to 95". i think finding an independant shop who you can trust would be a great start. it's not like it has to be done tomorrow, so take some time, get to know some guys at different shops, and get their opinions on a build. there are a whole lot of options open to you. good luck with whatever you choose to do. you may want to ride it through this summer and get it done when it's too cold to ride next winter. that will give you plenty of time to find a builder you want to go through for the build. just a thought that sort of makes sense.