Helmet Laws Rejected in Illinois (S is silent) :-).................
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[QUOTE=nutsandbolts5212;6442212]
I thought there was a Chicago city ordinance that required helmets for everyone. Is that not true? Or are you saying there is an ordinance, but it is not enforced? Just curious. I have only been in the Chicago area once on my bike ever.
Dennis
BTW, if any LEO lit me up and pulled me over just to look at my bike or ask me where I got something, the look on my face would be totally pissed. /QUOTE]
Wow, you sound like that would be a HUGE inconvenience! You must not like LEOs. Funny how your probably on this site everyday sharing your two cents, showing your pics and sharing all your absolute knowledge, yet if you out riding you would have a problem with some LEO pulling you over and asking you something about YOUR bike! Another fellow biker! FYI, I am LEO and have B.S.ed with bikers all the time, and this is in Chicago. Maybe you have some Barney Fife where you live harassing you guys, but that isn't the case all over.
Back to point, if you get hit on a bike, your gonna be hurt anyway, helmet or no helmet. The problem is to ride defensively all the time. 30 years ago there were no minivan-SUV-moms yapping on their cell phones or these 20 somethings texting and checking their email because God forbid they wait too long to check. These are the morons that we as riders have to watch out for. If you want to wear one, wear it. If not, then don't. Like the 50 or so other post have said, it's great to have choice. We have enough laws in this country telling us what we can and can not do, I don't want anymore and I'm sure you don't either.
Also, we,(CPD), really don't write tickets to bikers, unless the crotch-rocket crowd gets goofy poppin wheelies and other stupid stunts, and even then tickets aren't written. There is other crime that needs to be addressed other than messing with some bikers, and we have enough here.
See you on the street.
Wow, you sound like that would be a HUGE inconvenience! You must not like LEOs. Funny how your probably on this site everyday sharing your two cents, showing your pics and sharing all your absolute knowledge, yet if you out riding you would have a problem with some LEO pulling you over and asking you something about YOUR bike! Another fellow biker! FYI, I am LEO and have B.S.ed with bikers all the time, and this is in Chicago. Maybe you have some Barney Fife where you live harassing you guys, but that isn't the case all over.
Back to point, if you get hit on a bike, your gonna be hurt anyway, helmet or no helmet. The problem is to ride defensively all the time. 30 years ago there were no minivan-SUV-moms yapping on their cell phones or these 20 somethings texting and checking their email because God forbid they wait too long to check. These are the morons that we as riders have to watch out for. If you want to wear one, wear it. If not, then don't. Like the 50 or so other post have said, it's great to have choice. We have enough laws in this country telling us what we can and can not do, I don't want anymore and I'm sure you don't either.
Also, we,(CPD), really don't write tickets to bikers, unless the crotch-rocket crowd gets goofy poppin wheelies and other stupid stunts, and even then tickets aren't written. There is other crime that needs to be addressed other than messing with some bikers, and we have enough here.
See you on the street.
Dennis
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Dennis, not that I know of. Although I will warn you that Lake Geveva WI (a great place to ride and beutiful scenery) but loud pipes and this city dont mix. They have a ordinance there that will get you a ticket for loud exhaust.
As for Clint55, We do mostly agree on most of these topics, although there are still laws, and I know I will get a lot of negative feedback on this one, but it is my right at the LEO to write or not to write you a ticket. I was given that choice when I was sworn in. The laws are written to be followed, in the states that have helmet laws there is no getting around it. Wear it or get a ticket. Luckily Illinois is not like that yet.... as for getting "lit up to look at your bike and ask you a question" whats the big deal with that? I mean you like when people ask you a question about your bike on this forum, or at a bike show right? I just think that we need summer to get here so we can ride and not spend all of our time on here... lastly I will tell you that I agree that there are LEO's that shouldnt carry on duty, off duty or anywhere, and that is a sad situation, but that is the same with every occupation. So I will tell you that no matter what you chose as your career I'm sure you know people that do the same job and you ask "how the hell did this guy get his job, he is clueless... thats all I got on this topic, and sorry to the originator of this post, as the helmet topic has gotten lost in a lot of these posts....
Ride safe!
As for Clint55, We do mostly agree on most of these topics, although there are still laws, and I know I will get a lot of negative feedback on this one, but it is my right at the LEO to write or not to write you a ticket. I was given that choice when I was sworn in. The laws are written to be followed, in the states that have helmet laws there is no getting around it. Wear it or get a ticket. Luckily Illinois is not like that yet.... as for getting "lit up to look at your bike and ask you a question" whats the big deal with that? I mean you like when people ask you a question about your bike on this forum, or at a bike show right? I just think that we need summer to get here so we can ride and not spend all of our time on here... lastly I will tell you that I agree that there are LEO's that shouldnt carry on duty, off duty or anywhere, and that is a sad situation, but that is the same with every occupation. So I will tell you that no matter what you chose as your career I'm sure you know people that do the same job and you ask "how the hell did this guy get his job, he is clueless... thats all I got on this topic, and sorry to the originator of this post, as the helmet topic has gotten lost in a lot of these posts....
Ride safe!
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THANK YOU ABATE, IF Illinois was to get a helmet law I would either move to a non helmet state or just not ride as much!!!!!! basically 30 years of riding 95% of the time without one it would be too hard of a change to wear one all the time.
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I am not trying to pick a fight with you are any other leo on this one, and I do fully support your choice to carry everywhere you go, but I have personally asked my local city police, my county sherriff, three IL state troopers and our state's attorney, all who I consider to be my friends, what the actual law was concerning off duty police officers carrying concealed.
They all told me that it was just as illegal for them to conceal carry off duty as it was for me to do so. The only difference is that a leo would get away with it because nobody would push the issue.
Dennis
They all told me that it was just as illegal for them to conceal carry off duty as it was for me to do so. The only difference is that a leo would get away with it because nobody would push the issue.
Dennis
Helmet laws do suck, support ABATE.
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Dennis, not that I know of. Although I will warn you that Lake Geveva WI (a great place to ride and beutiful scenery) but loud pipes and this city dont mix. They have a ordinance there that will get you a ticket for loud exhaust.
As for Clint55, We do mostly agree on most of these topics, although there are still laws, and I know I will get a lot of negative feedback on this one, but it is my right at the LEO to write or not to write you a ticket. I was given that choice when I was sworn in. The laws are written to be followed, in the states that have helmet laws there is no getting around it. Wear it or get a ticket. Luckily Illinois is not like that yet.... as for getting "lit up to look at your bike and ask you a question" whats the big deal with that? I mean you like when people ask you a question about your bike on this forum, or at a bike show right? !
As for Clint55, We do mostly agree on most of these topics, although there are still laws, and I know I will get a lot of negative feedback on this one, but it is my right at the LEO to write or not to write you a ticket. I was given that choice when I was sworn in. The laws are written to be followed, in the states that have helmet laws there is no getting around it. Wear it or get a ticket. Luckily Illinois is not like that yet.... as for getting "lit up to look at your bike and ask you a question" whats the big deal with that? I mean you like when people ask you a question about your bike on this forum, or at a bike show right? !
As for the sideline LEO discussion, I did not mean to come accross as mad at LEO's accross the board. Just the ones that abuse the authority or act like it is they individually who really have any power. Or LEO's who forget that they are puiblic servants and feel that they deserve automatic respect and don't have to earn it like everyone else. Unfortunately, these guys are out there and anyone here that has had to deal with one knows exactly what I am talking about. Too bad cause I know than can make your job tougher.
You seem like a totally straightforward and fair cop without any ego or personal agendas, so I sincerely apologize if I came across as hostile and meant no disrespect.
I actually was stationed at Chanute AFB in the 70's and did a lot of riding around the Champagne / Rantoul area. So if I ever get back through IL to visit my buddy Riteway, I'll give you a heads up so you can pull me over and we'll talk about bikes and helmet laws!
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Guy's i din't intend for this to become a debate, Just an informative post...I should of known better....Helmets are always a touchy subject and everyone has an opinion on it...Pro or Con, I think most of us have lost someone or had someone badly injured to a bike crash....If you havn't well you are fortunate...I have,and have seen some bad crashes right before my eyes...and as it's been said many times it's getting worse out there..So please ride safe ....Lets live to see/ride another day.So please come and visit Illinois or one of the other few Helmet law-less states.....and as i said Ride Safe....With or Without a HELMET.... :-]
Not to disrespect any LEO'S out there BUT i ride to escape my problems and i ride within the legal limits as to NOT bring myself to any Law enforcement agents attention... So please don't pull me over just to say hello or nice bike...I will enter it in show when and if i want to show it off. So please respect my space. I know you guys arn't looking for anymore friends...AND im not either!!.... :-}
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Like I said, I haven't looked it up yet, but I would assume this House of Represenatives (HR) bill was federal not Il state. If the feds passed this, but the state of IL still doesn't allow it, it again falls into a category that is accepted, but not truly legal. I am assuming that your referenced bill has passed and became law at some level. I will google it in the morning after some much needed sleepl
Dennis
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This is very interesting becaue ABATE of Illinois at the state level has been telling it's members for at least the last three years that Illinois is a helmet free state, except for the city of Chicago that has a city ordinance (much like their handgun ban ordinance) that only applies to inside city limits.
I am confused here because I find it hard to believe that ABATE doesn't know the law and I find it even harder to belive that a Chicago leo would not be aware of the law if it were true.
See what I mean? We have so many laws stacked on top of each other, some get enforced and some don't that nobody really has the abilty to know and understand all of our laws.
Dennis
I am confused here because I find it hard to believe that ABATE doesn't know the law and I find it even harder to belive that a Chicago leo would not be aware of the law if it were true.
See what I mean? We have so many laws stacked on top of each other, some get enforced and some don't that nobody really has the abilty to know and understand all of our laws.
Dennis
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I couldn't wait until tomorrow. I did google it and speed read it. I think it's great, but it is still a federal law. The waters are still just as muddy as long as Illinois contintues to deny a freedom that is granted by our federal constitution.
This is nothing more than a feel good law anyway since there was never going to be a leo that would ever be charged or prosecuted for concealed carry anyway.
Let me make it perfectly clear. I do not begrudge any leo for conceal carry, on or off duty, active or retired. I think they should, it just bothers me when they do it, legal or not, but question whether or not commom folks like me should enjoy the same freedom.
The helmet laws and weapons laws do go hand in hand. It is about personal freedom instead of bowing to what the government has decided what is best for us.
edited to add and clarify....... for example, there is no federal law that bans automatic knives from being possessed or carried by it's citizens, but there is a federal law that prohibits interstate commerce of automatics. That doesn't stop states like Illinois from banning the manufacture of automatics. We have been lead as sheeple to believe that federal law trumps local law, and it does as long as we all sit back and let it. But as far as the constituion goes and what is the actual law instead of accepted law, your county sherriff is the supreme law over you. What I am saying is technicalities that don't mean squat because of what our country has become, I am only talking written law. The written law has become nothing more than what can and will be enforced and we have all let that happen.
Dennis
This is nothing more than a feel good law anyway since there was never going to be a leo that would ever be charged or prosecuted for concealed carry anyway.
Let me make it perfectly clear. I do not begrudge any leo for conceal carry, on or off duty, active or retired. I think they should, it just bothers me when they do it, legal or not, but question whether or not commom folks like me should enjoy the same freedom.
The helmet laws and weapons laws do go hand in hand. It is about personal freedom instead of bowing to what the government has decided what is best for us.
edited to add and clarify....... for example, there is no federal law that bans automatic knives from being possessed or carried by it's citizens, but there is a federal law that prohibits interstate commerce of automatics. That doesn't stop states like Illinois from banning the manufacture of automatics. We have been lead as sheeple to believe that federal law trumps local law, and it does as long as we all sit back and let it. But as far as the constituion goes and what is the actual law instead of accepted law, your county sherriff is the supreme law over you. What I am saying is technicalities that don't mean squat because of what our country has become, I am only talking written law. The written law has become nothing more than what can and will be enforced and we have all let that happen.
Dennis
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