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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 08:32 AM
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07 Streetglide, I switched from mobil 1 v twin 20-50 to dexron atf fluid. My clutch didn't feel good with the mobil 1. Well after whe switch I went riding and it seemed fine for a while,( about 2 hours riding) then the clutch started slipping if I put a good load on it.
Anyone else have this problem with ATF ? I have a feeling it may just be out of adjustment.
I dont think the fluid is causing the slip , either adjustment or plates are bad.What do you think?
Byu the way I have 13000 miles on it.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 09:16 AM
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Most likely cause is adjustment. If clutches are just on the edge of being out of adjustment, they usually work well when cold and once everything expands when hot, they tend to slip. Plenty of people here are running Dexron or type F with good results.
 

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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Willetts1
07 Streetglide, I switched from mobil 1 v twin 20-50 to dexron atf fluid. My clutch didn't feel good with the mobil 1. Well after whe switch I went riding and it seemed fine for a while,( about 2 hours riding) then the clutch started slipping if I put a good load on it.
Anyone else have this problem with ATF ? I have a feeling it may just be out of adjustment.
I dont think the fluid is causing the slip , either adjustment or plates are bad.What do you think?
Byu the way I have 13000 miles on it.
Any mods to the engine? The 07 has the easy pull clutch diaphram spring. After I added my cams, at full throttle in 6th gear, the clutch would start to slip at around 90mph. I made the mistake of adjusting the clutch hub when the clutch was warm and I also ran royal purple atf. I didn't like the actuation and the slip was slightly worse. I readjusted with it cold and went with dino valvoline 10/40 motorcycle oil and it was much better but would still slip under heavy load. I liked the easy pull clutch so I went with a VPC clutch (here's the link: http://www.aim-tamachi.com/home.php ) and no more slip, still have easy pull and it's supposed to be good to 120 ft. lbs. of torque. If I need more tension, I can go with a stock 04 and earlier diaphram spring with kevlar plates and be good for even more power. The only drawback? Cost. About $300. Make sure you have your clutch adjusted at the primary cold with the clutch cable adjusted all the way slack.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Willetts1
07 Streetglide, I switched from mobil 1 v twin 20-50 to dexron atf fluid. My clutch didn't feel good with the mobil 1. Well after whe switch I went riding and it seemed fine for a while,( about 2 hours riding) then the clutch started slipping if I put a good load on it.
Anyone else have this problem with ATF ? I have a feeling it may just be out of adjustment.
I dont think the fluid is causing the slip , either adjustment or plates are bad.What do you think?
Byu the way I have 13000 miles on it.
Yes, I had the exact same thing happen. I have readjusted the clutch and it is not slipping anymore. I'm not sure about ATF yet. It felt good when the clutch was at the setting where it slipped. Now it seems to grab in two steps. First when Leaving from a stop, I let the clutch and it feels pretty normal as I'm taking off, then it seems to grab again when the clutch is let almost all the way out. I'm sure what is going on is that it still slipping just a little with the clutch leaver 3/4 out and then it grabs that last little bit when I let it completely out, but it is taking some getting use to and I'm not sure it is something I want to get use to.

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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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There is a video on forum how to adjust clutch some where search for it fairly easy. If no engine modification it has to be adjustment.
 
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Old Apr 5, 2010 | 07:43 PM
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Sounds like a clutch adjustment might be needed. A buddy had the same issue and it was resolved with an adjustment.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by beary
Yes, I had the exact same thing happen. I have readjusted the clutch and it is not slipping anymore. I'm not sure about ATF yet. It felt good when the clutch was at the setting where it slipped. Now it seems to grab in two steps. First when Leaving from a stop, I let the clutch and it feels pretty normal as I'm taking off, then it seems to grab again when the clutch is let almost all the way out. I'm sure what is going on is that it still slipping just a little with the clutch leaver 3/4 out and then it grabs that last little bit when I let it completely out, but it is taking some getting use to and I'm not sure it is something I want to get use to.

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I'm having the EXACT same thing happening to me right now...I can't figure it out though. My clutch doesn't feel like it's slipping but, like you said, right before you let it all the way out it does it's "final catch" right before the lever is fully out
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 09:19 AM
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I just dont get it....why use ATF or mix it with something else that was in the primary before you put ATF in. Friction Modifiers or other additives contained in these fluids affect the clutch friction disc material. Who has extensively tested these fluids and verified their compatibilty with not only the lining material but other components in the primary..like the glue that holds the magnets on the rotor, affects on the chain and bearings?
Saving 4 or 5 bucks per primary fluid change is not worth the risk to me.
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 10:32 AM
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I have found on here that some folks say this or that is the best ever,but turns out in reality they have not run it very long.Just like synthetic in the trans,I won't be going there anymore!
 
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Old Jun 25, 2010 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by twincam47
I just dont get it....why use ATF or mix it with something else that was in the primary before you put ATF in. Friction Modifiers or other additives contained in these fluids affect the clutch friction disc material. Who has extensively tested these fluids and verified their compatibilty with not only the lining material but other components in the primary..like the glue that holds the magnets on the rotor, affects on the chain and bearings?
Saving 4 or 5 bucks per primary fluid change is not worth the risk to me.
I'm not going to debate on oil, and obviously use what you want.....

Do automatic transmissions in vehicles not have the same wet type clutch packs and similar electronics (sensors/switches/solenoids) in them? They have run countless miles with ATF. Bottom line is you need a little lube for the chain and roller bearing in the primary. The rest is for cooling. If the rotor/stator can survive engine oil or Formula +, I think it's reasonable to believe that they can take ATF as well.

BTW, ATF (especially type F) is designed to work with wet clutches and therefore doesn't have the "friction modifiers" that everyone screams about when trying to say car oil won't work in a motorcycle. Again, FWIW and YMMV as always....
 
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