LED load equalizers
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At last! Obviously Harleypingman and I both have the 2008 Electrical Diagnostic Manuals - TheShrink obviously does not (he goes by hearsay rather than the written word of H-D). I am happy to say that Harleypingman is 100% correct. Apparently the Security light stays on for any DTC that is current - not just those associated with turn signals.
Now, for anyone else (such as Heatwave) who want to make rash assumptions, I don't plan to install LED replacements for the turn signals. I might do so if H-D offered such replacements (H-D usually takes such things as reduced current draw by LEDs into account). Now that Harleypingman has pointed out the documentation I originally asked for, there is no need to perform experiments as suggested by TheShrink.
Finally, Hinzy, I looked at both of the links you provided and saw that one indicated that the add-on Security module has a built-in turn signal sensor - not that it controlled the turn signal system. I am done.
Now, for anyone else (such as Heatwave) who want to make rash assumptions, I don't plan to install LED replacements for the turn signals. I might do so if H-D offered such replacements (H-D usually takes such things as reduced current draw by LEDs into account). Now that Harleypingman has pointed out the documentation I originally asked for, there is no need to perform experiments as suggested by TheShrink.
Finally, Hinzy, I looked at both of the links you provided and saw that one indicated that the add-on Security module has a built-in turn signal sensor - not that it controlled the turn signal system. I am done.
If you expect all your answers to come from a book (particularly one published by HD) there's really no need for participating in this forum since you should be able to get all the answers you need (or think you need) from the "book".
But if you aren't looking to learn from the experiences of others that have already gone ahead of you on the same topic, trust me, you can be sure that future requests for assistance will be responded with.......
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There two Harleys at my house, a 2007 Ultra which does not have a security system and a 2008 RG which does. The owners manuals and the factory service manuals do not distinguish between bikes that have the system and those that do not.
Since no one seems to be able to point to any H-D literature that discusses the issue of the security light being turned on by low current draw by the turn signals (or any other bulb, for that matter) (e.g., a burned out incandescent bulb or replacement by LEDs) I assume that it doesn't exist. Which makes the "known fact," as it was called by The Shrink, not so well known.
Since no one seems to be able to point to any H-D literature that discusses the issue of the security light being turned on by low current draw by the turn signals (or any other bulb, for that matter) (e.g., a burned out incandescent bulb or replacement by LEDs) I assume that it doesn't exist. Which makes the "known fact," as it was called by The Shrink, not so well known.
You have the same opportunity to use the "Edit" function that TheShrink availed himself of in removing his profane comment. We all let stuff get to us that triggers a hasty response in kind from time to time. Hopefully, upon reflection, you'll use the edit function.
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At last! Obviously Harleypingman and I both have the 2008 Electrical Diagnostic Manuals - TheShrink obviously does not (he goes by hearsay rather than the written word of H-D). I am happy to say that Harleypingman is 100% correct. Apparently the Security light stays on for any DTC that is current - not just those associated with turn signals.
Now, for anyone else (such as Heatwave) who want to make rash assumptions, I don't plan to install LED replacements for the turn signals. I might do so if H-D offered such replacements (H-D usually takes such things as reduced current draw by LEDs into account). Now that Harleypingman has pointed out the documentation I originally asked for, there is no need to perform experiments as suggested by TheShrink.
Finally, Hinzy, I looked at both of the links you provided and saw that one indicated that the add-on Security module has a built-in turn signal sensor - not that it controlled the turn signal system. I am done.
Now, for anyone else (such as Heatwave) who want to make rash assumptions, I don't plan to install LED replacements for the turn signals. I might do so if H-D offered such replacements (H-D usually takes such things as reduced current draw by LEDs into account). Now that Harleypingman has pointed out the documentation I originally asked for, there is no need to perform experiments as suggested by TheShrink.
Finally, Hinzy, I looked at both of the links you provided and saw that one indicated that the add-on Security module has a built-in turn signal sensor - not that it controlled the turn signal system. I am done.
on others personal experiences......
Be sure to post up pics of your H-D led's
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As I said before, I have no intention on installing LEDs in place of the incandescent turn signals.
Now, having read a bit further in the H-D Electrical Diagnostic Manual, I see that the security module replaces the turn signal module so the security module module must, as Hinzy says, perform the turn signal control function. I, unfortunately, only looked at the factory service and owner's manuals intiially. Thanks to Harleypingman I was directed to another manual and found the answer. However, it should be pointed out that my original question had nothing to do with LED replacements. I don't expect H-D manuals to address these issues. My original question was about the Security light and that only.
As far as the edit function is concerned, I use it only to correct spelling or change some wording here and there. I don't use it to retract any comments that I have made in the past, nor do I regret any of them. I do not make "hasty responses."
Now, having read a bit further in the H-D Electrical Diagnostic Manual, I see that the security module replaces the turn signal module so the security module module must, as Hinzy says, perform the turn signal control function. I, unfortunately, only looked at the factory service and owner's manuals intiially. Thanks to Harleypingman I was directed to another manual and found the answer. However, it should be pointed out that my original question had nothing to do with LED replacements. I don't expect H-D manuals to address these issues. My original question was about the Security light and that only.
As far as the edit function is concerned, I use it only to correct spelling or change some wording here and there. I don't use it to retract any comments that I have made in the past, nor do I regret any of them. I do not make "hasty responses."
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I have yet to see any posts that identify H-D literature where the presence of the security light on is an indication of a bulb failure (or smaller current draw than is expected, as is the case with LEDs). I would still like to know where this "known fact" is dcoumented.
Actually the documentation that I want to see is H-D documentation, not Dennis Kirk or anyone else (Badlands, etc.). While I don't doubt that removing (the equivalent of a burned out bulb) a turn signal bulb will cause that side not to work, this says nothing about the Security light. I assume that the Security light referred to is the small key in the speedometer that lights up red. All I can find in either the owner's manual or the factory service manual is that this LED will come on for a longer period that usual if the security system is installed and appears to the system to be malfuntioning.
There two Harleys at my house, a 2007 Ultra which does not have a security system and a 2008 RG which does. The owners manuals and the factory service manuals do not distinguish between bikes that have the system and those that do not.
Since no one seems to be able to point to any H-D literature that discusses the issue of the security light being turned on by low current draw by the turn signals (or any other bulb, for that matter) (e.g., a burned out incandescent bulb or replacement by LEDs) I assume that it doesn't exist. Which makes the "known fact," as it was called by The Shrink, not so well known.
Since no one seems to be able to point to any H-D literature that discusses the issue of the security light being turned on by low current draw by the turn signals (or any other bulb, for that matter) (e.g., a burned out incandescent bulb or replacement by LEDs) I assume that it doesn't exist. Which makes the "known fact," as it was called by The Shrink, not so well known.
As I said before, I have no intention on installing LEDs in place of the incandescent turn signals.
Now, having read a bit further in the H-D Electrical Diagnostic Manual, I see that the security module replaces the turn signal module so the security module module must, as Hinzy says, perform the turn signal control function. I, unfortunately, only looked at the factory service and owner's manuals intiially. Thanks to Harleypingman I was directed to another manual and found the answer. However, it should be pointed out that my original question had nothing to do with LED replacements. I don't expect H-D manuals to address these issues. My original question was about the Security light and that only.
As far as the edit function is concerned, I use it only to correct spelling or change some wording here and there. I don't use it to retract any comments that I have made in the past, nor do I regret any of them. I do not make "hasty responses."
Now, having read a bit further in the H-D Electrical Diagnostic Manual, I see that the security module replaces the turn signal module so the security module module must, as Hinzy says, perform the turn signal control function. I, unfortunately, only looked at the factory service and owner's manuals intiially. Thanks to Harleypingman I was directed to another manual and found the answer. However, it should be pointed out that my original question had nothing to do with LED replacements. I don't expect H-D manuals to address these issues. My original question was about the Security light and that only.
As far as the edit function is concerned, I use it only to correct spelling or change some wording here and there. I don't use it to retract any comments that I have made in the past, nor do I regret any of them. I do not make "hasty responses."
2. You repeatedly sought "HD literature" for confirmation of the information supplied by others that L.E. was necessary when OEM bulbs were replaced or the security light woud remain on.
3. Despite having access to an EDM, you persisted in your ignorance of the information contained in it that addressed the very topic of this thread and chided others for not providing the very information that was at your fingertips.
I seldom take time with this type of reply because they provide zero useful information about our touring bikes. On the other hand, it occasionally occurs that a member uses this public forum to personally criticize other members which has no place here which should be addressed.
I hope tedcmiller will have some useful information about touring bikes that he can contribute; his replies in this thread don't.
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Let's go a little easy on Techcmiller as a new member, however if he's incapable of taking any lessons away from this minor dust-up, he's sure to find his welcome is quickly worn out. Techcmiller....trust me on this advice as a new member:
There's a tremendous amount to learn about these bikes and the vast majority will not be learned from a book (published by HD or otherwise). You will learn more from the members of this forum (and other forums) because of the willingness of other bikers to share their experiences to help out fellow bikers. Don't miss out on that learning because I guarantee you there will come a day the solution to a problem you have will not be in a book and yet someone on this forum will undoubtedly have figured it out.
PO fellow bikers at your own risk unless you think you're the kind of guy that has all the answers or thinks all the answers are in a book.
Good luck with whichever path best suits you.
There's a tremendous amount to learn about these bikes and the vast majority will not be learned from a book (published by HD or otherwise). You will learn more from the members of this forum (and other forums) because of the willingness of other bikers to share their experiences to help out fellow bikers. Don't miss out on that learning because I guarantee you there will come a day the solution to a problem you have will not be in a book and yet someone on this forum will undoubtedly have figured it out.
PO fellow bikers at your own risk unless you think you're the kind of guy that has all the answers or thinks all the answers are in a book.
Good luck with whichever path best suits you.
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Just read this post. I installed the badlands load eq and the run/stop/turn with 4 led lites at the corners. Everything was fine for a few rides and a couple hundred miles until yesterday just before returning home I noticed the security light on. I shut the ign off then restarted it and it went away. I was told to hook up the eq in front of the turn/stop/run module which I did but now Im thinking wtf, do I have to put a separate eq on the front t/s? Any thoughts?
