Weld failure
Cruiser
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 101
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From: Brazil
Yes, I purchased it at Izzo Store located at the city of Belo Horizonte, state of Minas Gerais. Serviced there at 1500km (932 mi). From there, I came to my town, Natal, in Rio Grande do Norte state. Aprox 2350 km far (1460 mi) The bike was assembled at the only HD plant outside USA, at the city of Manaus, state of Amazonas, and of course is intended for use in Brazil
Last edited by cezariomaia; Jan 9, 2011 at 04:32 PM.
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Charleston, SC
If HD is not going to honor the warranty I would take that pipe off the bike and weld a replacement pipe in and call it a day. You could probably have a muffler shop do it for like 20 bucks.
That or just get a quality aftermarket exhaust...
lp
That or just get a quality aftermarket exhaust...
lp
Road Captain
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 507
Likes: 1
From: Portland, OR
According to various articles on the web, HD sued Gruppo Izzo. Some of the claims seem to be:
1. Izzo makes little effort to sell HD bikes, and has recently entered into exlusive brand agreements with competitors of the moco.
2. Izzo has been accused of refusing to repair bikes UNDER WARRANTY as required by HD, and that they may have charged buyers for warranty repairs AND also billed HD for the same repairs.
3. Izzo may have sold conterfeit parts labelled as genuine HD.
HD won their lawsuit, and a Brasilian court terminated Izzo's exclusive contract, thus allowing HD to issue contracts to other dealers in Brasil.
Izzo appealed, and in June 2010, a Brasil higher court re-instated Izzo's right to be the ONLY authorized dealer in Brasil until 2015. The court also seems to have ruled that HD could take no punitive action against Izzo for any breach of contract, or hold Izzo accountable in any way to honor is contractual obligations.
I don't know what else the moco can do. It sucks for the customers in Brasil, because bikes break and parts fail. The moco is now restrained by the court from assisting these customers in any way. If Izzo won't do the work, then it is now illegal for HD to pay someone else to do the work. The court will allow HD to appeal, but ordered the moco to leave things as-is until they win such an appeal.
NOTE: I used translator software to read many of the articles, and I have no way to know if the articles I translated were legitimate or not (as is always the case on the web), or whether I have properly understood the issue. Perhaps the OP can shed light? I'm putting this disclaimer here so Izzo or HD don't sue me for this post!
Last edited by mfuchs2004; Jan 9, 2011 at 04:30 PM.
Cruiser
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 101
Likes: 1
From: Brazil
SOME RESEARCH ON THIS ISSUE (Warranty in Brasil, not the part issue):
According to various articles on the web, HD sued Gruppo Izzo. Some of the claims seem to be:
1. Izzo makes little effort to sell HD bikes, and has recently entered into exlusive brand agreements with competitors of the moco.
2. Izzo has been accused of refusing to repair bikes UNDER WARRANTY as required by HD, and that they may have charged buyers for warranty repairs AND also billed HD for the same repairs.
3. Izzo may have sold conterfeit parts labelled as genuine HD.
HD won their lawsuit, and a Brasilian court terminated Izzo's exclusive contract, thus allowing HD to issue contracts to other dealers in Brasil.
Izzo appealed, and in June 2010, a Brasil higher court re-instated Izzo's right to be the ONLY authorized dealer in Brasil until 2015. The court also seems to have ruled that HD could take no punitive action against Izzo for any breach of contract, or hold Izzo accountable in any way to honor is contractual obligations.
I don't know what else the moco can do. It sucks for the customers in Brasil, because bikes break and parts fail. The moco is now restrained by the court from assisting these customers in any way. If Izzo won't do the work, then it is now illegal for HD to pay someone else to do the work. The court will allow HD to appeal, but ordered the moco to leave things as-is until they win such an appeal.
NOTE: I used translator software to read many of the articles, and I have no way to know if the articles I translated were legitimate or not (as is always the case on the web), or whether I have properly understood the issue. Perhaps the OP can shed light? I'm putting this disclaimer here so Izzo or HD don't sue me for this post!
According to various articles on the web, HD sued Gruppo Izzo. Some of the claims seem to be:
1. Izzo makes little effort to sell HD bikes, and has recently entered into exlusive brand agreements with competitors of the moco.
2. Izzo has been accused of refusing to repair bikes UNDER WARRANTY as required by HD, and that they may have charged buyers for warranty repairs AND also billed HD for the same repairs.
3. Izzo may have sold conterfeit parts labelled as genuine HD.
HD won their lawsuit, and a Brasilian court terminated Izzo's exclusive contract, thus allowing HD to issue contracts to other dealers in Brasil.
Izzo appealed, and in June 2010, a Brasil higher court re-instated Izzo's right to be the ONLY authorized dealer in Brasil until 2015. The court also seems to have ruled that HD could take no punitive action against Izzo for any breach of contract, or hold Izzo accountable in any way to honor is contractual obligations.
I don't know what else the moco can do. It sucks for the customers in Brasil, because bikes break and parts fail. The moco is now restrained by the court from assisting these customers in any way. If Izzo won't do the work, then it is now illegal for HD to pay someone else to do the work. The court will allow HD to appeal, but ordered the moco to leave things as-is until they win such an appeal.
NOTE: I used translator software to read many of the articles, and I have no way to know if the articles I translated were legitimate or not (as is always the case on the web), or whether I have properly understood the issue. Perhaps the OP can shed light? I'm putting this disclaimer here so Izzo or HD don't sue me for this post!
Road Master
Joined: Jun 2010
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From: Annemasse (border of Geneva-Switzerland) facing Mt-Blanc.
That valve is a great idea if it worked the way it was designed for, Harley is using this for sound control as well, the valve closes under heavy engine load making the right muffler the only muffler flowing exhaust this eats up hp and it does add torque but up to a certain point. At higher rpm's the pressure and heat that builds up in front of that valve is extreme and all this does is shorten engine life. If this Idea was used correctly, and when i say that i mean performance it would be used in conjunction with a free flowing exhaust and during low rpm with light or moderate throttle it would be at a closed or partial opened position this would aid in torque and efficiency, and then at high rpm half to w.o.t it would be wide open, this would be perfect. With that setup the 96c.i. could easily get 4Ompg in the city instead of 30 to 35mpg and you would gain torque in the lower rpm areas and have all the hp you want when you need it. This is what u call the active exhaust control and it is used this way on BMW, Mazda, Mercedes, and is a good add on for performance vehicles running turbos.
Maybe one day someone will show up with a clever application for this valve
Cruiser
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 101
Likes: 1
From: Brazil
Well, as things and life goes on, I'm thinking to buy a Jackpot 2-1-2 pipe, that fits my bike. Think it has a best quality. Thinking too that's time the people at HD hire a japanese engineer to take care of the quality control dept...
Road Captain
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 549
Likes: 0
From: Ft Myers FL
Quality is NOT what it was, and likely never will be.
People are just not interested in their work today like they were in the past...[/QUOTE]
That's a sad but true fact. There just doesn't seem to be the pride in American workmanship like it used too. All the cheap junk coming into this country from china and nothing going out and we wonder why the unemployment is so high
People are just not interested in their work today like they were in the past...[/QUOTE]
That's a sad but true fact. There just doesn't seem to be the pride in American workmanship like it used too. All the cheap junk coming into this country from china and nothing going out and we wonder why the unemployment is so high
Road Warrior
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,406
Likes: 5
From: Sunnyvale, Ca.
Frame Weld Fail
Man Oh Man... I feel for ya, Had the Frame Weld Fail....
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