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Using additives is not "counter productive". There are several companies out there that make products that dont do anything, but assure you they dont "hurt" your motor. Typically there just plain oil in a bottle with heavy detergent packages and then call them "Friction Modifiers". There are a couple of companies out there that do make a good product.
BG & MOC Products make a product that does actually work. Ive seen both these products tested on a timpken bearing tester. And they do exactly what they claim. There also loaded with anti oxidants which prolongs the life of the oil by neutralizing the sulfuric acid that is caused from heat, pressure, and age which is typical from all internally combusted motors
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Pffft. Just somebody else that thinks they know it all.
Using additives is not "counter productive". There are several companies out there that make products that dont do anything, but assure you they dont "hurt" your motor. Typically there just plain oil in a bottle with heavy detergent packages and then call them "Friction Modifiers". There are a couple of companies out there that do make a good product.
BG & MOC Products make a product that does actually work. Ive seen both these products tested on a timpken bearing tester. And they do exactly what they claim. There also loaded with anti oxidants which prolongs the life of the oil by neutralizing the sulfuric acid that is caused from heat, pressure, and age which is typical from all internally combusted motors
Using additives is not "counter productive". There are several companies out there that make products that dont do anything, but assure you they dont "hurt" your motor. Typically there just plain oil in a bottle with heavy detergent packages and then call them "Friction Modifiers". There are a couple of companies out there that do make a good product.
BG & MOC Products make a product that does actually work. Ive seen both these products tested on a timpken bearing tester. And they do exactly what they claim. There also loaded with anti oxidants which prolongs the life of the oil by neutralizing the sulfuric acid that is caused from heat, pressure, and age which is typical from all internally combusted motors
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Why would an oil manufacture recommend adding additives? It would show their oils are inferior. "Hey our oil kicks ***, but you better put some slick 50 in with it though". Oil companies only make oil that fall within the guidelines of API (you probalby dont know what that is) which needs to be stamped on every bottle sold. TFOUT testing (you probably dont know what that is either) also shows that "certain" additives can prove to be benificial to oils.And to comment on vehicle manufactures not recommending - Most manufactures dont recommend these additives and services ( like coolant flushes, trans flushes and fuel services) because it promotes a higher cost of ownership. This is why manufactues like Toyota and Honda have gone to 10,000 mile oil change intervals and 100,000 coolant. Is it because Toyota has invented "the golden oil" that will last 10,000 miles? NOT. Its to help promote lower cost of ownership, which helps sell cars. And because of these longer oil change intervals, all the more reason to use a additive that contains anti-oxidants to help prolong the oil.
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, and it does have some serious lubricating properties in it.
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Ummm, ur dumb. Why would an oil manufacture recommend adding additives? It would show their oils are inferior. "Hey our oil kicks ***, but you better put some slick 50 in with it though". Oil companies only make oil that fall within the guidelines of API (you probalby dont know what that is) which needs to be stamped on every bottle sold. TFOUT testing (you probably dont know what that is either) also shows that "certain" additives can prove to be benificial to oils.
And to comment on vehicle manufactures not recommending - Most manufactures dont recommend these additives and services ( like coolant flushes, trans flushes and fuel services) because it promotes a higher cost of ownership. This is why manufactues like Toyota and Honda have gone to 10,000 mile oil change intervals and 100,000 coolant. Is it because Toyota has invented "the golden oil" that will last 10,000 miles? NOT. Its to help promote lower cost of ownership, which helps sell cars. And because of these longer oil change intervals, all the more reason to use a additive that contains anti-oxidants to help prolong the oil.
Why would an oil manufacture recommend adding additives? It would show their oils are inferior. "Hey our oil kicks ***, but you better put some slick 50 in with it though". Oil companies only make oil that fall within the guidelines of API (you probalby dont know what that is) which needs to be stamped on every bottle sold. TFOUT testing (you probably dont know what that is either) also shows that "certain" additives can prove to be benificial to oils.And to comment on vehicle manufactures not recommending - Most manufactures dont recommend these additives and services ( like coolant flushes, trans flushes and fuel services) because it promotes a higher cost of ownership. This is why manufactues like Toyota and Honda have gone to 10,000 mile oil change intervals and 100,000 coolant. Is it because Toyota has invented "the golden oil" that will last 10,000 miles? NOT. Its to help promote lower cost of ownership, which helps sell cars. And because of these longer oil change intervals, all the more reason to use a additive that contains anti-oxidants to help prolong the oil.
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Ummm, ur dumb. Why would an oil manufacture recommend adding additives? It would show their oils are inferior. "Hey our oil kicks ***, but you better put some slick 50 in with it though". Oil companies only make oil that fall within the guidelines of API (you probalby dont know what that is) which needs to be stamped on every bottle sold. TFOUT testing (you probably dont know what that is either) also shows that "certain" additives can prove to be benificial to oils.
And to comment on vehicle manufactures not recommending - Most manufactures dont recommend these additives and services ( like coolant flushes, trans flushes and fuel services) because it promotes a higher cost of ownership. This is why manufactues like Toyota and Honda have gone to 10,000 mile oil change intervals and 100,000 coolant. Is it because Toyota has invented "the golden oil" that will last 10,000 miles? NOT. Its to help promote lower cost of ownership, which helps sell cars. And because of these longer oil change intervals, all the more reason to use a additive that contains anti-oxidants to help prolong the oil.
Why would an oil manufacture recommend adding additives? It would show their oils are inferior. "Hey our oil kicks ***, but you better put some slick 50 in with it though". Oil companies only make oil that fall within the guidelines of API (you probalby dont know what that is) which needs to be stamped on every bottle sold. TFOUT testing (you probably dont know what that is either) also shows that "certain" additives can prove to be benificial to oils.And to comment on vehicle manufactures not recommending - Most manufactures dont recommend these additives and services ( like coolant flushes, trans flushes and fuel services) because it promotes a higher cost of ownership. This is why manufactues like Toyota and Honda have gone to 10,000 mile oil change intervals and 100,000 coolant. Is it because Toyota has invented "the golden oil" that will last 10,000 miles? NOT. Its to help promote lower cost of ownership, which helps sell cars. And because of these longer oil change intervals, all the more reason to use a additive that contains anti-oxidants to help prolong the oil.
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From: Peach Bottom Pa.
Anybody that knows oil will tell you,,,Good oil does not need additives,,the additives needed are already in there,,,
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Oh b4 i forget the API and the TFOUT that you want to know about means American Petroleum Industry and Thin flim oxy uptake test. And you forgot a whole list of acronyms dealing with oil, PM me if you want to know what JASO, GL, SG, SJ,SF, SH, ASTM, SAE, and DUMB A$$ mean.
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Of course an oil company isnt going to recommend an additive!!!
"Why would an oil manufacture recommend adding additives? It would show their oils are inferior. "Hey our oil kicks ***, but you better put some slick 50 in with it though"."
This is called sarcasim (you can google that word too).