Why not the balanced motor?
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From: East Alton, IL
Yesterday I decided that I was going to buy either a Honda or a Softail. I bought a cup of coffee at the gas station and at the first stop sign the damn bike shook coffee all over my newly cleaned bike.
Then I rode off and as soon as I got above 1200 rpm I decided to enjoy the smooth ride and just wipe the tank off again.
Then I rode off and as soon as I got above 1200 rpm I decided to enjoy the smooth ride and just wipe the tank off again.
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From: Mass
...gee...I kinda hope by now that HD has put the best touring motor set up they have in their TOURING bikes....pretty sure if a B motor was better for the touring line it would be in 'em....once in a while you just have to trust the factory....
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From: The Internet (& Dyer, Indiana)
It was designed to fit in a frame that mimicked the old style hard tail.
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Your tech flat told you wrong about that. The reason you couldn't use the 251 is it was designed for the TC88 motor which had a totally different setup than the TC96. The 96B and 96A motors can use the same cams as can the 88B and 88A motors.
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From: SW Minnesota
"I'll be happy to debate the "less power" BS mentioned earlier too."
Faast Ed, don't mistake speed on the street for power on the dyno. A lighter softtail is going to be faster than a heavier touring bike, but the B engine is turning more parts, with another chain under tension. That has to use up power, albeit probably not much. On the flip side, one could also argue that an unbalanced engine is also wasting power due to the vibration.
With the larger mufflers on touring models, however, the increase in power is substantial. Night rider has some info on that on 2007-2008 engines @
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/h...erformance.htm
Here's a parts list and diagrams of all the extra parts on a 2006 TC B model.
http://www.bikebandit.com/2006-harle...8582#sch621839
Faast Ed, don't mistake speed on the street for power on the dyno. A lighter softtail is going to be faster than a heavier touring bike, but the B engine is turning more parts, with another chain under tension. That has to use up power, albeit probably not much. On the flip side, one could also argue that an unbalanced engine is also wasting power due to the vibration.
With the larger mufflers on touring models, however, the increase in power is substantial. Night rider has some info on that on 2007-2008 engines @
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/h...erformance.htm
Here's a parts list and diagrams of all the extra parts on a 2006 TC B model.
http://www.bikebandit.com/2006-harle...8582#sch621839
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"I'll be happy to debate the "less power" BS mentioned earlier too."
Faast Ed, don't mistake speed on the street for power on the dyno. A lighter softtail is going to be faster than a heavier touring bike, but the B engine is turning more parts, with another chain under tension. That has to use up power, albeit probably not much. On the flip side, one could also argue that an unbalanced engine is also wasting power due to the vibration.
With the larger mufflers on touring models, however, the increase in power is substantial. Night rider has some info on that on 2007-2008 engines @
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/h...erformance.htm
Here's a parts list and diagrams of all the extra parts on a 2006 TC B model.
http://www.bikebandit.com/2006-harle...8582#sch621839
Faast Ed, don't mistake speed on the street for power on the dyno. A lighter softtail is going to be faster than a heavier touring bike, but the B engine is turning more parts, with another chain under tension. That has to use up power, albeit probably not much. On the flip side, one could also argue that an unbalanced engine is also wasting power due to the vibration.
With the larger mufflers on touring models, however, the increase in power is substantial. Night rider has some info on that on 2007-2008 engines @
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/h...erformance.htm
Here's a parts list and diagrams of all the extra parts on a 2006 TC B model.
http://www.bikebandit.com/2006-harle...8582#sch621839
don't mistake speed on the street for power on the dyno.
With the larger mufflers on touring models, however, the increase in power is substantial.
But once you put a good pipe on either bike, the comparison is no longer valid.
I still believe a 96" is a 96", whether it's an A or a B.
The balanced motor was made to fit in a retro frame and had to be hard mounted to accomplish this. Thus the balancer.
I don't subscibe to that myth that the balancer robs power.
If it does, it would be measured in milli seconds in the 1/4 mile.
The dyno would not show it.
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Are you sayin that I could have used the 251 cams? Cause if you are Im going to have a chat with the harley mechanic who told me that.
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From: Alabama
SE -251 CAM KIT *
This camshaft is a high lift version of the SE-211
camshaft. As such, it works great with 103" and larger
engines with free-flowing intake and exhaust. It can be
used with stock heads updated with race springs and
high-compression pistons to get even more torque than
a SE-211 cam or couple it with any of the performance
heads to realize the full power potential of this cam. For
race application only.
25121-03 $299.95
Fits 99-05 Dyna, 00-06 Softail and
99-06 T ouring models.
If you have a 06 dyna or 07 and newer Softail or Touring u could put these cams in if you changed out the cam plate and chains and most everything behind the Cam Cover. HOWEVER you would not want to do this because the newer design is much better and doesn't wear out the chain tensioners near as quickly!!! you'd be backing up if you did this.