Not enough lean??????
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If you are saying it's Harleys fault why are you ordering an Arlen ness part. Just order a kickstand for a street glide since they are already lowered 1" maybe that would be the right one for you.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around this...... which "kit" are you talking about?
If it came from the MoCo, on your FLTRU, you have 2 choices. FLTRX (Street glide type) shocks, or the front end lowering kit.
If you just lowered the rear end, there's no way it would affect the lean angle by more than a degree or two, since the jiffy (stupid name for a kickstand) stand is so far forward. I did this to an 05 FLTR using 2010 FLTRX shocks, and the lean angle didn't change, as far as I could see.
If you used this front end kit, 54564-09, it can only be installed with FLTRX rear shocks, otherwise it messes with your rake and trail, and you look like your riding downhill all the time.
This is from the MoCo website about the 54564-09 lowering kit..
WARNING: The Profile Low Front Spring Kit cannot be used independently and must be used with the appropriate Profile Rear Shock Lowering kit. Installation of any accessory suspension components may affect cornering clearance and jiffy stand operation. This could distract the rider, causing loss of control and death or serious injury.
If it came from the MoCo, on your FLTRU, you have 2 choices. FLTRX (Street glide type) shocks, or the front end lowering kit.
If you just lowered the rear end, there's no way it would affect the lean angle by more than a degree or two, since the jiffy (stupid name for a kickstand) stand is so far forward. I did this to an 05 FLTR using 2010 FLTRX shocks, and the lean angle didn't change, as far as I could see.
If you used this front end kit, 54564-09, it can only be installed with FLTRX rear shocks, otherwise it messes with your rake and trail, and you look like your riding downhill all the time.
This is from the MoCo website about the 54564-09 lowering kit..
WARNING: The Profile Low Front Spring Kit cannot be used independently and must be used with the appropriate Profile Rear Shock Lowering kit. Installation of any accessory suspension components may affect cornering clearance and jiffy stand operation. This could distract the rider, causing loss of control and death or serious injury.
That should be listed in the parts book so that you'll know this up front or parts lets you know before buying, JIMHO
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If you know different, send me that kickstand part number.
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Hey Shooter, you're right but it's not noted in the parts book besides, the bike being equipped with the Profile Low Touring, which I have. The buy never sees that disclaimer unless one takes the parts themselves, opens the box and finds that warning. You just give your bike, they take it to the bay and calls you when it's ready.
That should be listed in the parts book so that you'll know this up front or parts lets you know before buying, JIMHO
That should be listed in the parts book so that you'll know this up front or parts lets you know before buying, JIMHO
Go to this page http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/g...bmLocale=en_US click on the warning under the picture..... print it out and take it to your dealer.
It's the techs fault, he should have noticed the lean angle, and noted any warnings. That'e why you pay (overpay) for them to do the work.
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Hey Shooter, you're right but it's not noted in the parts book besides, the bike being equipped with the Profile Low Touring, which I have. The buy never sees that disclaimer unless one takes the parts themselves, opens the box and finds that warning. You just give your bike, they take it to the bay and calls you when it's ready.
That should be listed in the parts book so that you'll know this up front or parts lets you know before buying, JIMHO
That should be listed in the parts book so that you'll know this up front or parts lets you know before buying, JIMHO
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You're wrong about that. It is noted right at the bottom of the page in the accesssories and parts book with a warning sign in front of it. I'm sitting here looking at it right now. There are plenty of warnings about different products on many of the pages. You just need to look.
Whether it's in the book or not, some lessons just have to be learned the hard way.
I've been wrenching for more years than I care to say, and one thing I have learned is that almost every single time you mod something, there is another little unexpected "surprise" waiting for you.
You can't blame the MOCO for that. Blame your bad luck, karma, or whatever. But you can take that knowledge to the bank and use it in your favor in the future.
Suck it up, do what's needed to make it right, and move on.
If you don't like it, put your tools up and quit modding stuff. Settle for stock.
Reality. It's part of the game. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Not trying to be a smartass here but did you try a pre 09' stand?? When the first 09's came out they tried to used the same stand as the older models and most people complained that it leaned over to far, so they changed it to what they are using now, their is a bulletin for the change but i dont remember the number, just trying to help out!!
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Like Big Brain, I lowered my 2011 FLTRU one inch front and rear (except I did the work myself, so I know it's done right). Like Big Brain, I found the stock kickstand no longer provided enough lean. Like Big Brain, I went in search of something that would give me more lean. The 2011 FLTRU kickstand mount is different than earlier ones... the "wedge" doesn't work. HD doesn't make a shorter kickstand, but Arlen Ness makes one that is 1" shorter. Like Big Brain, I found that the 1" shorter Arlen Ness kickstand didn't give me enough additional lean, because not all of the 1" comes off of the straight part of the arm. It's a bit shorter there, but not one inch worth.
Unlike Big Brain, I ain't blaming anyone for the lean problem. When I went back to the parts counter where the Arlen Ness part was recommended to me and told them it didn't give me enough lean, their response was "no problem, bring it back for a refund." Well, I had already installed it, and since I didn't really want to put the stock one back on and watch my bike blow over because of a gentle breeze, I said thanks but no thanks. It leans a bit more, but still not quite enough.
So what other options are there? Seems like bending the arm is the route most everyone else takes, and maybe that's what I'll do. What I won't be doing is complaining that I didn't know what was being done to my bike, because I did it all myself.
Unlike Big Brain, I ain't blaming anyone for the lean problem. When I went back to the parts counter where the Arlen Ness part was recommended to me and told them it didn't give me enough lean, their response was "no problem, bring it back for a refund." Well, I had already installed it, and since I didn't really want to put the stock one back on and watch my bike blow over because of a gentle breeze, I said thanks but no thanks. It leans a bit more, but still not quite enough.
So what other options are there? Seems like bending the arm is the route most everyone else takes, and maybe that's what I'll do. What I won't be doing is complaining that I didn't know what was being done to my bike, because I did it all myself.
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Whether it's in the book or not, some lessons just have to be learned the hard way.
I've been wrenching for more years than I care to say, and one thing I have learned is that almost every single time you mod something, there is another little unexpected "surprise" waiting for you.
You can't blame the MOCO for that. Blame your bad luck, karma, or whatever. But you can take that knowledge to the bank and use it in your favor in the future.
Suck it up, do what's needed to make it right, and move on.
If you don't like it, put your tools up and quit modding stuff. Settle for stock.
Reality. It's part of the game. Wake up and smell the coffee.
I've been wrenching for more years than I care to say, and one thing I have learned is that almost every single time you mod something, there is another little unexpected "surprise" waiting for you.
You can't blame the MOCO for that. Blame your bad luck, karma, or whatever. But you can take that knowledge to the bank and use it in your favor in the future.
Suck it up, do what's needed to make it right, and move on.
If you don't like it, put your tools up and quit modding stuff. Settle for stock.
Reality. It's part of the game. Wake up and smell the coffee.
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Understood. Didn't mean to imply otherwise.
I've been bit so many times with little surprises like that, that I'm to the point of allowing extra bucks whenever planning a project. Expect the unexpected. LOL
I've been bit so many times with little surprises like that, that I'm to the point of allowing extra bucks whenever planning a project. Expect the unexpected. LOL