Someone Please tell me why...
And for those who going down the "not a Harley Guy" road, well, I rode a Harley before the majority of the current "Harley Guys" were weaned off their training wheels. And perhaps I am not a Harley Guy. But I am a motorcycle guy. I have put more miles off the road than most Harley Guys put on the road. And I have done my fair share on the road.
Again, I love the bike but understand my wife's complaints, complaints that Harley has addressed via their catalog. And again, $350 for an oil change is just wrong.
But again, thanks for the info regarding the "comfort bars" and the adj Kuryakyn pegs...
JackL
The best trade I ever made"
I've ridden small and large cruisers and tourers there is NOTHING LIKE A HARLEY!
Foot note, it's sitting in the garage in pieces waiting on a clutch cable so maybe later in the week I will feel better.
ps...Hope you get your cable fixed soon
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This is pretty funny and entertaining . . . LOL
Ya gotta admit though, after inciting over 80 some posts there is a nerve being hit.
I feel your pain , Jackloganbill !!
My wife has the airhawk seat cushion and a pro pad gel pad installed. I still have to give her a break after about 2 hours in the saddle.
by the way here is a good deal on the slanted bag rails; http://www.surdyke.com/AdvSearch.asp enter P/N = 49179-09 in search window
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Most people complain about the heat. It personally doesn't bother me, I've done a stage 1 but have left the stock header and just live with it. My girlfriend doesn't think the profile guards look any better and they wouldn't help her complaints, so I haven't put them on my bike. As for the shocks... it's rougher than I expected, but is still better than my previous bikes so I'm not complaining.

I did ride several new Harleys before buying mine, so I did have a bit better understanding of what I was getting into, though. As others have mentioned, a longer demo ride would've revealed the shortcomings for you.
Second, well.... trying to figure out how to put it... you said yourself that you had Harley's "since before y'all were a twinkle in yer daddy's eye" or somesuch... Well, since you went on to other brands then I assume that your Harley experience wasn't all slurps n roses. You must have know from that experience that Harleys have, uh, "character".
Perhaps you assumed that a spanking new $30K+ Harley would be diff'rent? Or perhaps the Harley mystique/aura/history/pride just doesn't speak to you in the same way it does to others, allowing you forgive her transgressions? That's not a knock on you for wanting a trouble-free ride, but that is also not a Harley. Maybe it is a GoldWing; I'll never know cuz I drank the Kool-Aid and I now unabashedly belong to the Church of Harley.
Good luck and ride safe,
Sin'
The Best of Harley-Davidson for Lifelong Riders
If reliability and lower maintenance cost is a big consideration, the Goldwings can be a bike worth checking out. But for one, they don't fit well at all if you're over 6 foot tall. Sure, they make accessories to try and combat the issue, but you still are no where near the comfort level of an HD touring bike even if you aren't long legged. Oh, and guess what? Goldwing owners complain about the suspension too, although that's supposedly addressed in the 2012 models, but the jury's still out on that.
Yes, the heat issue bother me. A lot. I live in Texas and I really don't enjoy riding in July and August. I've got different headers, synthetic oil, stage one... but it's still hot. But from what owners of other bikes tell me, theirs are hot too. Maybe not quite as much, but still very hot.
It does cost a bunch to service your Harley at the dealership, and there are quite a few things on the list to service. But unlike many other bikes, Harleys are fairly easy to do it yourself, and there's tons of resources out there to assist you; from Harley's excellent service manual, to DVD instructions, YouTube videos, and of course this fourm. I do routine stuff like oil changes myself, and found a good Indy to do some things, and I take it back to the dealer for others. But keep this in mind: even though HD service departments aren't cheap, they're everywhere. If you have a problem on the road, there's always a dealership at the next larger town, and most of them will work you in for priority service. Try that with ANY other brand.
The bottom line is that Harley makes a damn good bike. Not perfect, but still very good. But if some other bike works better for you then go for it. But read the owner's boards about complaints first. None of the others are perfect either.
Before I vent let me say that the members of this forum are pretty incredible. I have received valuable answers to my pre-sale and post-sale questions. The HD community and this forum in particular are a great resource and support. Thanks.
The thoughts I am about to vent were initiated by the most recent (of many) oil cooler threads on this forum.
Now the vent...
I have had a motorcycle since I was approx 10 years old. Right around that early age I saw my first HD Electra Glide. Blue and white. This was about 1966 or '67. The bike was similar to the Road King today. Anyway, I fell in love with it. Even though I rode dirt bikes at this early age, I knew that some day I would own an Electra Glide. As it turns out it would be 45 years before that want would be satisfied.
In the meantime I had four Kawasakis, four Suzukis, a Yamaha, a Honda, a BMW, a Sportster, even an Ural, but all along I wanted an Electra Glide.
This past year we decided to trade in our Kawasaki Nomad for a "better" touring bike. We started at our local Honda dealer seriously considering the Gold Wing. But for a variety of reasons, we decided against it.
And after serious research, visiting these forums, asking tons of questions, and the news that the Electra Glide received a proper frame in '09, and so forth, we pulled the trigger on the '11 Electra Glide Classic.
It did not take long for an eternal truth to stab me in the heart: You never know something until you own it.
Case in point, our 2011 EGC.
On our first long ride the wife complained that the Saddle bag guards were pressing up against her lower leg. She's a pretty tough gal. 25 years teaching PE, two boys, two grand boys. She does not complain about much. But the indentations in her skin prove it. Hard to believe that Harley Davidson would miss this obvious comfort issue. Or did they? They offer a fix, a "comfort" accessory. Hmmm...
On our first long ride on a hot day her legs fried especially on the right side where the right/left exhaust pipes converge. Not to mention the heat burning my thighs. No fix for her, but again, HD knowing the problem regarding the thigh burns offers an accessory to deflect the heat. Bought them and they work pretty well.
Oh, and it would appear that a majority of seasoned HD riders recommend an oil cooler, standard on many similar air-cooled V-Twin bikes. Oh, the HD accessory catalog offers oil coolers as well. On a hot day my engine feels like the core of nuclear reactor. It takes hours to cool down in our air conditioned garage.
We also noticed on these first rides that the rear shocks are junk. Even with the air pressure set (using the appropriate $60 air shock pump) correctly, the ride is beyond terrible. I can see that on a Softtail, but not this bike.
The gear ratios are not very well thought out. With a six speed box, 1st should be a tad lower...
Then there is the scheduled maintenance. My dealer wanted $400 for the 1,000 mile service with non-synthetic oil. 400 frigging bucks! Another dealer did it for $350. Still, that is exactly $350 more than I ever spent for service at the Kawasaki and Suzuki dealers for my last two big inch motorcycles. And soon, I have the prospect of dumping another $350 for the 5,000 mile service. And I can wrench, that's not the point. But the scheduled maintenance list for these bikes is significant. The service intervals for the Nomad consisted of changing the oil, coolant, and tightening bolts.
Given the accessories commonly purchased, the performance pieces most of us want, the necessary comfort accessories, the replacement shocks, the oil coolers, the costly service intervals, the HD Electra Glide is like the gift that just keeps on giving, as far as a dealer is concerned. These bikes are cash cows!
So that is my vent. I just spent a ton of money on a new motorcycle and have to spend more to make the bike "right"). The wife will probably never be completely comfortable. So I am stuck. And of course with the 2012 103CI engine, I am sure my resale value has been shot to pieces.
On a positive note, as a solo bike, I like it a lot. It steers and handles incredibly well, it feels much lighter and smaller than its size would dictate, the rear shock is a bit better suited for solo riding, the power is satisfactory, I have no buffeting, etc. The paint, chrome, fairing, saddle bags, trunk, and so forth are excellent.
By the way, I printed out this vent and mailed it to Harley Davidson Headquarters.
JackL






