My 07 Problems continue
RE: My 07 Problems continue
I only have 100 happy miles on my '07. I can only hope I don't run into the problems some of you guys are having. My biggest issue right now is that the damn exhaust is to freakin quiet.
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RE: My 07 Problems continue
There are a number of threads on this already, along with many words written about the 5th-gear whine. Most (all?) of the touring bikes will rattle when hot if RPM's go below about 2200 in 5th or 6th gear, which originates in the compensator, not the transmission. With mine, I have simply readjusted my riding style and keep R's at or above that point in the higher gears. I also installed a more viscous oil in the primary (Castrol GTX 20w50) than the overpriced Formula+ HD recommends, the 0903 EFI remap, and a PCIII--all of which combined have transformed the bike. It will still rattle if I lug it down below about 2200, but as I said I simply shift a bit higher than I did with my Evo, which would chug around all day at 1800 rpm or lower in 5th gear without any protest.
I'd recommend to the OP to have the 0903 remap done, which has helped many people with this problem, but you'd think your dealer would've gone there already. I would keep on them, as it sounds like your noise is far worse than what I and most others have experienced. In balance, I much prefer this '07 engine over the TC88. It's smoother, mechanically quieter, and torquier than the basically stock (mufflers, AC, EFI mods) TC88's I've ridden. The 6-speed is fine and other than the 5th-gear whine, which is normal and hardly noticeable on my bike, I haven't heard any complaints from anyone about any real problems. I did switch to Royal Purple 75w90 gear oil in the tranny, which did seem to help.
I'd recommend to the OP to have the 0903 remap done, which has helped many people with this problem, but you'd think your dealer would've gone there already. I would keep on them, as it sounds like your noise is far worse than what I and most others have experienced. In balance, I much prefer this '07 engine over the TC88. It's smoother, mechanically quieter, and torquier than the basically stock (mufflers, AC, EFI mods) TC88's I've ridden. The 6-speed is fine and other than the 5th-gear whine, which is normal and hardly noticeable on my bike, I haven't heard any complaints from anyone about any real problems. I did switch to Royal Purple 75w90 gear oil in the tranny, which did seem to help.
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Well, if my dealer told me to get earplugs for a problem on my bike...well...he would need earplugs for my yelling as well as a cell phone to call himself an ambulance. LOL (Just kidding, I wouldn't really get violent...unless...LMAO)
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5th gear whine - normal, keep up the rpms's - your luggin the engine, put in heavy transmission lube - this is all a bunch of BS!
I have an 07 Ultra, I got it in the middle of August. I just had it in for 5000 mile service. Guess what? It rattles. It rattles in 5th gear at 65 mph on a flat road with the cruise control on. NOT LUGGING the engine, rpms are up, not accelerating. IT RATTLES. I would love the Whine I hear in 1st gear to be there in 5th, but it's not. I"m sure the whole straight cut vs helical cut means something. It rattles when it's cold. It rattles when it's hot. When it's really hot the neutral light comes on and the 6th gear indicator goes out. And my favorite - the alarm light comes on and stays on until the bike cools off somewhat.
I am happy for you if running the RPM's up stops yours. I'm happy for you if heavy transmission fluid quiet's it down. Hell, I'm happy for you if you don't have any problems. However, I have an issue and a lot of other folks have issues. The MOCO knows there is an issue and they are working on it.
Oh, I forgot the best reason for 5th gear noise so far "It's a Harley, it rattles". Whatever. I love the bike. I ride it every chance I get. What would make it better? No rattle. So if your bike is perfect, good for you. That's all I want. That's what I paid $26k plus for. American made perfection. And it's not very far from where I'm sitting.
I have an 07 Ultra, I got it in the middle of August. I just had it in for 5000 mile service. Guess what? It rattles. It rattles in 5th gear at 65 mph on a flat road with the cruise control on. NOT LUGGING the engine, rpms are up, not accelerating. IT RATTLES. I would love the Whine I hear in 1st gear to be there in 5th, but it's not. I"m sure the whole straight cut vs helical cut means something. It rattles when it's cold. It rattles when it's hot. When it's really hot the neutral light comes on and the 6th gear indicator goes out. And my favorite - the alarm light comes on and stays on until the bike cools off somewhat.
I am happy for you if running the RPM's up stops yours. I'm happy for you if heavy transmission fluid quiet's it down. Hell, I'm happy for you if you don't have any problems. However, I have an issue and a lot of other folks have issues. The MOCO knows there is an issue and they are working on it.
Oh, I forgot the best reason for 5th gear noise so far "It's a Harley, it rattles". Whatever. I love the bike. I ride it every chance I get. What would make it better? No rattle. So if your bike is perfect, good for you. That's all I want. That's what I paid $26k plus for. American made perfection. And it's not very far from where I'm sitting.
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25K for a road king? Have they done the 903 download, this could help, change out the trans fluid for some amsoil 75/90 and put amsoil 20-50 sybn in the motor and primary and you will be more happy with your high dollar ride. Or join with the other handfull of disatisfied guys and take harley to court or at least get the HD rep. involved.
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I only have 100 happy miles on my '07. I can only hope I don't run into the problems some of you guys are having. My biggest issue right now is that the damn exhaust is to freakin quiet.
I only have 100 happy miles on my '07. I can only hope I don't run into the problems some of you guys are having. My biggest issue right now is that the damn exhaust is to freakin quiet.
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25K for a Road King?
25K for a Road King?
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RE: My 07 Problems continue
Phins,
If you don't get satisfaction from your dealer, hound the crap out of customer service in Milwaukee. This route has helped myself and many others in the past. Good luck and keep us updated.
If you don't get satisfaction from your dealer, hound the crap out of customer service in Milwaukee. This route has helped myself and many others in the past. Good luck and keep us updated.
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There are a number of threads on this already, along with many words written about the 5th-gear whine. Most (all?) of the touring bikes will rattle when hot if RPM's go below about 2200 in 5th or 6th gear, which originates in the compensator, not the transmission. With mine, I have simply readjusted my riding style and keep R's at or above that point in the higher gears. I also installed a more viscous oil in the primary (Castrol GTX 20w50) than the overpriced Formula+ HD recommends, the 0903 EFI remap, and a PCIII--all of which combined have transformed the bike. It will still rattle if I lug it down below about 2200, but as I said I simply shift a bit higher than I did with my Evo, which would chug around all day at 1800 rpm or lower in 5th gear without any protest. . The 6-speed is fine and other than the 5th-gear whine, which is normal and hardly noticeable on my bike, I haven't heard any complaints from anyone about any real problems. I did switch to Royal Purple 75w90 gear oil in the tranny, which did seem to help.
There are a number of threads on this already, along with many words written about the 5th-gear whine. Most (all?) of the touring bikes will rattle when hot if RPM's go below about 2200 in 5th or 6th gear, which originates in the compensator, not the transmission. With mine, I have simply readjusted my riding style and keep R's at or above that point in the higher gears. I also installed a more viscous oil in the primary (Castrol GTX 20w50) than the overpriced Formula+ HD recommends, the 0903 EFI remap, and a PCIII--all of which combined have transformed the bike. It will still rattle if I lug it down below about 2200, but as I said I simply shift a bit higher than I did with my Evo, which would chug around all day at 1800 rpm or lower in 5th gear without any protest. . The 6-speed is fine and other than the 5th-gear whine, which is normal and hardly noticeable on my bike, I haven't heard any complaints from anyone about any real problems. I did switch to Royal Purple 75w90 gear oil in the tranny, which did seem to help.
One thing that Harley did that was foolish was to NOT have the 6th gear be an overdrive gear. Evidently it's not really useable til you're at a steady 70mph or higher, and at those speeds the whine should be drowned out by the wind noise- not that there should be much of a whine in the first place.
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Knocking on wood, my 07 UC (granted only 450 miles) currently doesn't have any of the problems that have been posted my many on this forum. I would suggest you write to American Iron Magazine with your problem and or reference them to the many threads of problems on the 07. Belive me if they follow up and publish a road test on the 07, Harley if not currently will get things really moving.