I have been surfing through forums and can't seem to find answer. I have a 12 street glide will be goin into my 2nd yr of ownership in a few months. I am getting ready to do stage 1 upgrade myself with fuel moto micro tuner big sucker a/c and thunder head slip-ons also will be takin converter out. My question is I'm assuming by what I have read that my warranty will be voided question is will it affect my 5k mile service and also if for some reason I needed to take in for warranty work couldn't I put factory a/c back on and take tuner off like it was never on there?

 

I'd swap the headers out and keep the stock ones incase they ever put a law in that requires us to have the cat.
That being said, if you just change your headers you wont void warranty unless you damage something installing it incorrectly.

 

I had a stage one on my last bike since the 300 mile mark. HD did all the services up to till I sold it a yr later at 17k. They even did a little warranty work and never said a word about it. I ordered it from fuelmoto and they were great to work with.

 

Don't worry about putting in a stage 1.
As far as voiding your warranty, well it depends on how ethical your dealer is.

If you're not into changing fluids, which is the bulk of your warranty work, I'd say it's time to strike up a relationship with a reliable independent.

 

Really? The dealer is NOT going to void your warranty for a Stage 1. In fact, your dealer is going to recommend a Stage 1.... exhaust, AC and tune. Not that familiar with the FM Micro tuner, but if there were any problems it would be that they are not going to work with your tuner.
For anyone to VOID your warranty, they have to prove that the modifications is what caused the issue.

 

No they don't, go to a Chevy dealer with a tuner on your diesel pick up while believing that. Flash your ECM on your Corvette and then flash it back to stock, believing that. In either case... powertrain will be VOID! This HAS been thru the Courts already, too. Still voided.

The MF act was to cover 'out of dealer' services and NOT hot rodding. One can NOT install a bigger cam or bigger pistons in a motor vehicle and still have the warranty covered. Same with 'tunes' in an ECM

That being said, I have NEVER heard of any dealer or MOCO itself voiding a warranty over a stage one. The MOCO DOES push this for rider enjoyment reasons.

PLEASE don't put that micro tuner on anything that new. That is NOT the way to go, and I do NOT care what fuelmoto told you. Do yourself a HUGE favor and pony up the money for a Power Vision or a TTS. Micro "tuner" is anything but... it's an add on box that tricks the ECM into thinking things are what they are not. A Flash tuner is the way to go. The days of Power Commanders are well past. Want a difference? A flash tuner will still allow the bike to self adjust for a bad tank of gas, etc. With a power commander (micro tuner is a cheap version of a power commander made by DynoJet), you will lose that, and other functions as well.

Buy the Vision or TTS, and you will be able to change your bike around later, when your warranty expires and you wish to truly increase power. Spend once and done. Fuelmoto will sell you a Vision for a decent price and it will already come with a map loaded that is close for your set up. A few tuning runs and things will be rather nice. Trust me on this, or call and ask Jamie as he will say the same thing when asked.

 

Wurk Truk is correct. I formerly worked for a dealership. Although we never ran into a situation where a warranty was denied because of an Air Cleaner/Exhaust/Tuner upgrade we would tell people that technically it could be if HD felt that these upgrades were the cause of the "problem".
Also you will be much better off to spend the extra money and buy the Power Vision or TTS. We strongly encourage it. But we also understand that sometimes money is a factor on purchases. We see bikes come into our shop w/ other piggyback options when we do performance work and they end up removing these and buying the better tuner and having us dyno the bikes. You may not think that you will want more performance now but many a bike owner changes their mind on that down the road and would save money if they would just spend a little more initially for a good quality tuner.

 

I hate to split hairs, but an add on tuner like the Micro Tuner does not trick the ECM into "thinking" anything.

It is downstream from the ECM and modifies the ECM's output. The ECM continues to function normally.

 

This is correct. The ECM functions that you have with a flash tuner (PV, TTS, SEPST, etc.) are also functional with a PCV, FM Micro, or whatever. The big difference is that you have no access to ECM tables and thus can't change or influence most of them with the "piggyback" devices. These PC-related tuners (FM Micro, PCIII, PCV) simply add or subtract fuel downstream of the ECM, and the ECM has no knowledge that added device is even in the mix, so there is no "tricking the ECM" taking place. These tuners will simply modify the signal downstream of the ECM.

The Micro Tuner is new, has reduced functionality compared to a PCV with the tradeoff of a lower price, and does not allow adjustment of spark advance. These "piggyback" tuners work fine for most riders whether in a new or older EFI bike, but if you have any aspirations of making further changes to your configuration (cams, etc.) you should consider a tuner that will allow spark-advance changes, like the PCV, PV, etc.

FWIW, I've run the PCIII, PCV, PCV-AT, and now the PV in my bike and each of these tuners has provided a good tune. I couldn't say that each step up caused the bike to run any better overall than the last, but I do like the features on the PV, most of them quite esoteric, for doing things you can't do with any piggyback device. These flash-based tuners do indeed provide more flexibility in your tuning experience, so if you have an unnatural craving to tweak your tune to extreme levels of detail I would recommend the PV for its ability to access ECM tables. It will also allow datalogging without tethering a running laptop computer to the bike while riding. The display unit will receive datalog info as well as display parameters from the ECM and calculated values from the PV (e.g. gas mileage, fuel used, Lambda from optional wideband O2 sensors, etc.). If you crave information while you're riding you will be in hog heaven with the PV. Other flash-based tuners work in a similar way, but the difference is the display unit, which IMO is a big advantage over the competition.

OTOH if you only want to position AFRs at a point that will make the bike run optimally the PC tuners, including the Micro, will do the trick. I reject notions that they are fundamentally inadequate for most riders. Also, not all dealers want to pull the piggyback devices off the bikes at the earliest opportunity. My local dealer actually prefers them and recommend them over even the flash-based HD Super Tuners.

 

It's your bike, do whatever you want to it! All you need to know is that the warranty does not cover aftermarket parts or any problems they may cause. And if you get an aftermarket part that was specifically designed for your bike then it shouldn't cause any problems. I too recommend a full exhaust upgrade, not just slip ons