PCV Map Advice Needed
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PCV Map Advice Needed
I need some suggestions from you guys as to which route I should take.
I recently discovered that I've been running the wrong map on my bike due to misinformation I'd been given and in turn gave the same to Fuelmoto. Plus I just bought an Autotune module and will install that today. My question is, since I asked FM for a map on Tuesday but still haven't heard back from them, which map should I use?
Here is what has gone down.
A couple years ago I had my bike in to my Indy for a transmission leak. Turned out the starter bolts had backed out and only one was in place. Anyway during that event he discovered my "Y Pipe" had a crack in it and was leaking. He suggested replacing it with what he told me at the time was Vance and Hines True Duals. I agreed so he did.
Soon after I had horrible decel backfire and the bike seemed to be running lean so I ordered a PCV from FM and installed it with a map they gave me based on my setup. I still had popping and felt the bike just wasn't running its best and had tried several other maps from Keith at FM and basically got most, but not all of the backfire out. I decided to add an Autotune and then just recently realized the headers are not True Duals but rather Dresser Duals.
I requested a new map from Keith but he has not responded yet and I want to install the Autotune and hopefully get the right map in there.
So, I found a map for my setup on Dynojet's website but it is for an '09 (my bike is an '07, which Dynojet does not support with PCV.) Would I be better off using the Dynojet map for the '09 or am I overthinking this and just install the Autotune and ride with the current map?
Thanks for any advice guys.
I recently discovered that I've been running the wrong map on my bike due to misinformation I'd been given and in turn gave the same to Fuelmoto. Plus I just bought an Autotune module and will install that today. My question is, since I asked FM for a map on Tuesday but still haven't heard back from them, which map should I use?
Here is what has gone down.
A couple years ago I had my bike in to my Indy for a transmission leak. Turned out the starter bolts had backed out and only one was in place. Anyway during that event he discovered my "Y Pipe" had a crack in it and was leaking. He suggested replacing it with what he told me at the time was Vance and Hines True Duals. I agreed so he did.
Soon after I had horrible decel backfire and the bike seemed to be running lean so I ordered a PCV from FM and installed it with a map they gave me based on my setup. I still had popping and felt the bike just wasn't running its best and had tried several other maps from Keith at FM and basically got most, but not all of the backfire out. I decided to add an Autotune and then just recently realized the headers are not True Duals but rather Dresser Duals.
I requested a new map from Keith but he has not responded yet and I want to install the Autotune and hopefully get the right map in there.
So, I found a map for my setup on Dynojet's website but it is for an '09 (my bike is an '07, which Dynojet does not support with PCV.) Would I be better off using the Dynojet map for the '09 or am I overthinking this and just install the Autotune and ride with the current map?
Thanks for any advice guys.
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First off, did you use the actual fuel map request sheet at Fuel Moto or did you just send an email to keith? Usually, I have received requested maps in 2 or 3 days when requested using the form on the Fuel Moto site.
Secondly, remember that Auto Tune only tunes to whatever map is installed. If it were me, I would try the map from Dynojet while waiting for an updated map from Keith.
Good luck
Secondly, remember that Auto Tune only tunes to whatever map is installed. If it were me, I would try the map from Dynojet while waiting for an updated map from Keith.
Good luck
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Yeah, that's what I was intending to do however the '09 maps won't load. They are coded so that they only load with a compatible bike I guess.
After getting everything hooked up, and what a bit*h that was. I'm getting a red flashing status light on the Autotune module. I think I may have kinked or even pinched off the wires from the rear cylinder 02 sensor as I had to pull the exhaust in order to get it screwed into the bung and it turns out that these sensors are a fraction of an inch longer than the stock ones and just enough to where it hits on the transmission cover. I also had a bit*h of a time getting my tranny vent tube remounted and in fact ended up stripping the pipe thread in the cover but it's just a vent so I not too concerned. What does bother me is that I may have compromised the wires coming out of that sensor.
Anyway the upper status light is red and I don't know what that means. There is very little in the way of documentation with the unit. I will go see if I can find anything on the Dynojet website.
After getting everything hooked up, and what a bit*h that was. I'm getting a red flashing status light on the Autotune module. I think I may have kinked or even pinched off the wires from the rear cylinder 02 sensor as I had to pull the exhaust in order to get it screwed into the bung and it turns out that these sensors are a fraction of an inch longer than the stock ones and just enough to where it hits on the transmission cover. I also had a bit*h of a time getting my tranny vent tube remounted and in fact ended up stripping the pipe thread in the cover but it's just a vent so I not too concerned. What does bother me is that I may have compromised the wires coming out of that sensor.
Anyway the upper status light is red and I don't know what that means. There is very little in the way of documentation with the unit. I will go see if I can find anything on the Dynojet website.
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Dresser Duals are true duals. One pipe dedicated to each cylinder is what true duals are. I used to have Dresser Duals on my RK but lost a ton of low end. Took them off and switched to a catless headpipe.
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Thank you.
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When you get your little red light working right, this map will get you started. It has a good timing map in it. It is zipped as that is only way it can be sent on the forum. Make sure to unzip it. The autotune will work great with the PCV. It may be it isn't turned on in the software or the AFR tables aren't active. Really don't know. If I remember right you have to turn it on under Configure on the software menu. I would make sure I have the firmware on the PCV upto date also.
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When you get your little red light working right, this map will get you started. It has a good timing map in it. It is zipped as that is only way it can be sent on the forum. Make sure to unzip it. The autotune will work great with the PCV. It may be it isn't turned on in the software or the AFR tables aren't active. Really don't know. If I remember right you have to turn it on under Configure on the software menu. I would make sure I have the firmware on the PCV upto date also.
Thanks again,
Dan
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The base map you use won't make much difference in the end. When you use auto tune, it is going to build it's own maps based on the afr that you enter. If your base map is way off, it just means it will take longer for the auto tune to correct it. I believe the afr for a stock bike is around 14.1, I had my PCV set for about 13.8 and it ran great and wasn't hard on fuel, and left the plugs a nice color. Those numbers might be off a little as I haven't touched it since last year and my memory is just fair. Anyways, don't stress over your map. Install your auto tune, set your afr, go for a ride then accept your trim tables. Keep checking and accepting your trims until they are staying close to 0, then you are all set. Also, it's a good idea to expand the tables to individual maps for each gear. I did this to mine and noticed a lot smoother ride. As far as timing goes, I would let a pro handle that. Each time I tried, I ended up getting a misfire somewhere along the way. I did change the timing a little for full throttle acceleration, but not the cruising range.
Good luck!
Good luck!