Pinging in engine
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RE: Pinging in engine
Screamin Eagles come with Syn3 as factory fill. If your mechanic is right none will live, nor should have lived, past 30k miles.
Not a bet I'd take...
Point is- don't hold one mechanic's opinion as gospel. As a professional mechanic of 25+ years (and counting) I'd hold the misaligned rings more responsible for letting oil by as opposed to using synthetic oil "too soon."
Not being argumentative, just offering another viewpoint...
Not a bet I'd take...
Point is- don't hold one mechanic's opinion as gospel. As a professional mechanic of 25+ years (and counting) I'd hold the misaligned rings more responsible for letting oil by as opposed to using synthetic oil "too soon."
Not being argumentative, just offering another viewpoint...
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RE: Pinging in engine
My 06 road glide was doing the same thing a friend told me to use Chevron gas. Since then I have stopped using the Arco gas. I have used only Shell and Chevron for three weeks. I have not heard the ping since. Mine is still stock for another two months then I am getting the set up from Fuel Moto.
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RE: Pinging in engine
30+ years here and I got to agree with Lost1.
A lot of vehicles and HD's are coming stock from the factory with syn in the engine.
The carbon build up was probably caused by other issues (not discounting the syn, but just not likley the cause).
Excessive idling and slow speed running, andtoo rich fuel mixture, weak plugs, andwrong timing can all increase carbon build up. Bad or weak rings, valve guides / seals can too.
A lot of vehicles and HD's are coming stock from the factory with syn in the engine.
The carbon build up was probably caused by other issues (not discounting the syn, but just not likley the cause).
Excessive idling and slow speed running, andtoo rich fuel mixture, weak plugs, andwrong timing can all increase carbon build up. Bad or weak rings, valve guides / seals can too.
ORIGINAL: Lost1
Screamin Eagles come with Syn3 as factory fill. If your mechanic is right none will live, nor should have lived, past 30k miles.
Not a bet I'd take...
Point is- don't hold one mechanic's opinion as gospel. As a professional mechanic of 25+ years (and counting) I'd hold the misaligned rings more responsible for letting oil by as opposed to using synthetic oil "too soon."
Not being argumentative, just offering another viewpoint...
Screamin Eagles come with Syn3 as factory fill. If your mechanic is right none will live, nor should have lived, past 30k miles.
Not a bet I'd take...
Point is- don't hold one mechanic's opinion as gospel. As a professional mechanic of 25+ years (and counting) I'd hold the misaligned rings more responsible for letting oil by as opposed to using synthetic oil "too soon."
Not being argumentative, just offering another viewpoint...
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RE: Pinging in engine
Gents thanks for all the feedback, I did the stage 1 upgrade and did the map, only happens in 5th gear at 55 to 65 acceleration, this is whats bothering me. I dont think the engine was lugging at this speed. I does seem to be coming from the front cylinder though. I use a major brand of gas, Mobil usually, I am in the industry so I know who shares whos terminals in my area so the gas quality is not a problem. Did the syn change pout myself after the 1000 mile service, could be a miss seated ring but syn oil will not cause that problem, just delay the damage a little longer. Think I am going to try try teh PC 111 or the SERT, that is my next question, which one, Bike has close to 4k miles now.
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RE: Pinging in engine
Lost1,
I do see your point, and I'm sure my point can be argued from several different angles. However, we will need to see how many SEs with Syn3 do after 30k miles. Since Syn3 has just come out less than three years ago, who can tell what will happen? My RG is not my first Harley, but a third one! I also had an '02 RKC, that had used nothing but Amsoil Synthetic in all its cases. The difference was that I started using this oil after 5,000 miles. My RKC never had any engine issues, and she ran flawlessly for over 45,000 miles before I traded her in for the RG.
Your point about not holding one mechanic's opinion gospel does not really work here. As, he was the one who took the engine apart, and showed me the pistons, the valves and rings. And, gunked-up carbon parts don't lie! I can probably post some pictures if you like. But, for me, I'm going to make sure that I break this new (rebuilt) engine in correctly before I go back to using synthetic oil...well maybe at least the Syn3.
I do see your point, and I'm sure my point can be argued from several different angles. However, we will need to see how many SEs with Syn3 do after 30k miles. Since Syn3 has just come out less than three years ago, who can tell what will happen? My RG is not my first Harley, but a third one! I also had an '02 RKC, that had used nothing but Amsoil Synthetic in all its cases. The difference was that I started using this oil after 5,000 miles. My RKC never had any engine issues, and she ran flawlessly for over 45,000 miles before I traded her in for the RG.
Your point about not holding one mechanic's opinion gospel does not really work here. As, he was the one who took the engine apart, and showed me the pistons, the valves and rings. And, gunked-up carbon parts don't lie! I can probably post some pictures if you like. But, for me, I'm going to make sure that I break this new (rebuilt) engine in correctly before I go back to using synthetic oil...well maybe at least the Syn3.
ORIGINAL: Lost1
Screamin Eagles come with Syn3 as factory fill. If your mechanic is right none will live, nor should have lived, past 30k miles.
Not a bet I'd take...
Point is- don't hold one mechanic's opinion as gospel. As a professional mechanic of 25+ years (and counting) I'd hold the misaligned rings more responsible for letting oil by as opposed to using synthetic oil "too soon."
Not being argumentative, just offering another viewpoint...
Screamin Eagles come with Syn3 as factory fill. If your mechanic is right none will live, nor should have lived, past 30k miles.
Not a bet I'd take...
Point is- don't hold one mechanic's opinion as gospel. As a professional mechanic of 25+ years (and counting) I'd hold the misaligned rings more responsible for letting oil by as opposed to using synthetic oil "too soon."
Not being argumentative, just offering another viewpoint...
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RE: Pinging in engine
blaster,
The only way to find out if your rings are seated correctly (or not) is to check two things: oil consumption and spark plugs. Have you experienced any oil consumption at all? Let's say, a quart a month or more? Also, pull the spark plug from your front cylinder and check it for oil foul. If you're not experiencing any of these, then you're in good shape! However, if you do see oil residue on your plug, you may want to investigate further. The bottomline is, that, pinging or detonation is not good, and can "damage" your engine--if not investigated or remedied.
BTW, my detonation problem was also during acceleration between 65 and 70mph. Let me know if you need more info about other symptoms.
The only way to find out if your rings are seated correctly (or not) is to check two things: oil consumption and spark plugs. Have you experienced any oil consumption at all? Let's say, a quart a month or more? Also, pull the spark plug from your front cylinder and check it for oil foul. If you're not experiencing any of these, then you're in good shape! However, if you do see oil residue on your plug, you may want to investigate further. The bottomline is, that, pinging or detonation is not good, and can "damage" your engine--if not investigated or remedied.
BTW, my detonation problem was also during acceleration between 65 and 70mph. Let me know if you need more info about other symptoms.
ORIGINAL: masterblaster
Gents thanks for all the feedback, I did the stage 1 upgrade and did the map, only happens in 5th gear at 55 to 65 acceleration, this is whats bothering me. I dont think the engine was lugging at this speed. I does seem to be coming from the front cylinder though. I use a major brand of gas, Mobil usually, I am in the industry so I know who shares whos terminals in my area so the gas quality is not a problem. Did the syn change pout myself after the 1000 mile service, could be a miss seated ring but syn oil will not cause that problem, just delay the damage a little longer. Think I am going to try try teh PC 111 or the SERT, that is my next question, which one, Bike has close to 4k miles now.
Gents thanks for all the feedback, I did the stage 1 upgrade and did the map, only happens in 5th gear at 55 to 65 acceleration, this is whats bothering me. I dont think the engine was lugging at this speed. I does seem to be coming from the front cylinder though. I use a major brand of gas, Mobil usually, I am in the industry so I know who shares whos terminals in my area so the gas quality is not a problem. Did the syn change pout myself after the 1000 mile service, could be a miss seated ring but syn oil will not cause that problem, just delay the damage a little longer. Think I am going to try try teh PC 111 or the SERT, that is my next question, which one, Bike has close to 4k miles now.
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RE: Pinging in engine
ORIGINAL: Kahuna
Lost1,
I do see your point, and I'm sure my point can be argued from several different angles. However, we will need to see how many SEs with Syn3 do after 30k miles. Since Syn3 has just come out less than three years ago, who can tell what will happen? My RG is not my first Harley, but a third one! I also had an '02 RKC, that had used nothing but Amsoil Synthetic in all its cases. The difference was that I started using this oil after 5,000 miles. My RKC never had any engine issues, and she ran flawlessly for over 45,000 miles before I traded her in for the RG.
Your point about not holding one mechanic's opinion gospel does not really work here. As, he was the one who took the engine apart, and showed me the pistons, the valves and rings. And, gunked-up carbon parts don't lie! I can probably post some pictures if you like. But, for me, I'm going to make sure that I break this new (rebuilt) engine in correctly before I go back to using synthetic oil...well maybe at least the Syn3.
Lost1,
I do see your point, and I'm sure my point can be argued from several different angles. However, we will need to see how many SEs with Syn3 do after 30k miles. Since Syn3 has just come out less than three years ago, who can tell what will happen? My RG is not my first Harley, but a third one! I also had an '02 RKC, that had used nothing but Amsoil Synthetic in all its cases. The difference was that I started using this oil after 5,000 miles. My RKC never had any engine issues, and she ran flawlessly for over 45,000 miles before I traded her in for the RG.
Your point about not holding one mechanic's opinion gospel does not really work here. As, he was the one who took the engine apart, and showed me the pistons, the valves and rings. And, gunked-up carbon parts don't lie! I can probably post some pictures if you like. But, for me, I'm going to make sure that I break this new (rebuilt) engine in correctly before I go back to using synthetic oil...well maybe at least the Syn3.
ORIGINAL: Lost1
Screamin Eagles come with Syn3 as factory fill. If your mechanic is right none will live, nor should have lived, past 30k miles.
Not a bet I'd take...
Point is- don't hold one mechanic's opinion as gospel. As a professional mechanic of 25+ years (and counting) I'd hold the misaligned rings more responsible for letting oil by as opposed to using synthetic oil "too soon."
Not being argumentative, just offering another viewpoint...
Screamin Eagles come with Syn3 as factory fill. If your mechanic is right none will live, nor should have lived, past 30k miles.
Not a bet I'd take...
Point is- don't hold one mechanic's opinion as gospel. As a professional mechanic of 25+ years (and counting) I'd hold the misaligned rings more responsible for letting oil by as opposed to using synthetic oil "too soon."
Not being argumentative, just offering another viewpoint...
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