SAS-99 Simplified Air Suspension - Motorcycle Air Ride
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SAS-99 Simplified Air Suspension - Motorcycle Air Ride
Anyone here install one yet? Looking to do something real soon, and this looks like a solution to my problem. All compact, and looks very well built. Priced about the same as other air ride kits out there too.
http://www.customcyclecontrols.com/i...prod/prd41.htm
Any thoughts? Pro's & Con's?
http://www.customcyclecontrols.com/i...prod/prd41.htm
Any thoughts? Pro's & Con's?
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RE: SAS-99 Simplified Air Suspension - Motorcycle Air Ride
Well I just recieved an email back from Aaron King from Custom Cycle Controls.
He answered a few of mmy questions, but I just sent him a few more, like how about a fail safe system, so that if something fails, you can still get home, etc...
Here is the copy:
So far so good, i'll wait for an answer on the previous email.
He answered a few of mmy questions, but I just sent him a few more, like how about a fail safe system, so that if something fails, you can still get home, etc...
Here is the copy:
i'll do my best to answer your questions - please let me know if you
have more - happy to help.
1) heat - not an issue - the housing of the unit itself acts a the heat
sink for the compressor motor.
2) valving - the actual valve is a proven pneumatic valve built by
pneumadyne corp.
all the passages are "ported" into the housing - there are no hoses or
fittings to have problems.
3) our units "sounds" different than the others because the
configuration is exclusive to us.
louder? don't think so, probably the same as the others.
4) we do not supply a switch: too many readily available options &
everybody wants to do something different.
after talking to a bunch of people during the design stage - we learned
it was a "fit & finish" issue - thats where we
leave the option up to the installer. we supply the specs, you get to
pick the switch to suit your needs.
we have sold out of the 2nd round and are working on the 3rd, if you
have any kind of a time frame - you'll want to get your name on one.
have more - happy to help.
1) heat - not an issue - the housing of the unit itself acts a the heat
sink for the compressor motor.
2) valving - the actual valve is a proven pneumatic valve built by
pneumadyne corp.
all the passages are "ported" into the housing - there are no hoses or
fittings to have problems.
3) our units "sounds" different than the others because the
configuration is exclusive to us.
louder? don't think so, probably the same as the others.
4) we do not supply a switch: too many readily available options &
everybody wants to do something different.
after talking to a bunch of people during the design stage - we learned
it was a "fit & finish" issue - thats where we
leave the option up to the installer. we supply the specs, you get to
pick the switch to suit your needs.
we have sold out of the 2nd round and are working on the 3rd, if you
have any kind of a time frame - you'll want to get your name on one.
So far so good, i'll wait for an answer on the previous email.
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RE: SAS-99 Simplified Air Suspension - Motorcycle Air Ride
Well I asked, and I got another great response from Aaron.
Well, he covered it all for me, I will have one of these ordered shortly, and will do a step by step install on it once recieved!
1) the unit has 1 1/8" of internal piston travel which translates to
about 3" on a stock HD softail.
custom applications can get up to 4" depending on swing arm geometry &
configuration.
2) fail safe - the design of the unit itself is the fail safe. without
having fittings & hoses as potential for catastrophic failure while
riding,
our unit protects the rider. if the compressor fails - the system is
still sealed until you actuate the "dump valve" switch.
what you can experience with all other units "failure" is primarily due
to the hoses & fittings. belts rubbing thru the hoses while riding &
the bike drops
while doing 50MPH or the fitting "let go" of the hose and the bike
drops immediately.
the other main factor to point out is that our allows stock HD's to
stay EPA compliant.
the compressor mounting bracket for all the other units require you to
remove the charcoal canister to make room for the compressor itself.
our doesn't - you stay EPA compliant - no fines for the owner, no fines
for the shop that did the work!
4 bolts & the wiring harness - done!
please let me know if you have any other questions - let me know when
you post the info on the forums - we'd love to see what people think.
one of the most valuable tools we have is "feedback" from the public.
good or bad.
i look forward to it.
thank you - aaron
about 3" on a stock HD softail.
custom applications can get up to 4" depending on swing arm geometry &
configuration.
2) fail safe - the design of the unit itself is the fail safe. without
having fittings & hoses as potential for catastrophic failure while
riding,
our unit protects the rider. if the compressor fails - the system is
still sealed until you actuate the "dump valve" switch.
what you can experience with all other units "failure" is primarily due
to the hoses & fittings. belts rubbing thru the hoses while riding &
the bike drops
while doing 50MPH or the fitting "let go" of the hose and the bike
drops immediately.
the other main factor to point out is that our allows stock HD's to
stay EPA compliant.
the compressor mounting bracket for all the other units require you to
remove the charcoal canister to make room for the compressor itself.
our doesn't - you stay EPA compliant - no fines for the owner, no fines
for the shop that did the work!
4 bolts & the wiring harness - done!
please let me know if you have any other questions - let me know when
you post the info on the forums - we'd love to see what people think.
one of the most valuable tools we have is "feedback" from the public.
good or bad.
i look forward to it.
thank you - aaron
Well, he covered it all for me, I will have one of these ordered shortly, and will do a step by step install on it once recieved!
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RE: SAS-99 Simplified Air Suspension - Motorcycle Air Ride
been looking at that same set-up. he's been out of stock when I've called. looks like this winters project. I like the simpicity of the shock. you can be the tester TIPN8R.
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RE: SAS-99 Simplified Air Suspension - Motorcycle Air Ride
Well, this is the 3rd generation unit. As he finds an area to improve on, he changes and improves the design. I am fairly confident that this unit will do exactly what I want, can't wait!
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RE: SAS-99 Simplified Air Suspension - Motorcycle Air Ride
SAS-00 Simplified Air Suspension sounds good. Are they in stock?
Since you already have an open dialog with Aaron perhaps you can forward the questions to him and let him know we are all interested in his product I'm sure he is dying to hear what we all think.
In comparing the the original Legend design L2 model with Progressive Airtail I noticed the Legend did not address the issue of dampening. As a matter-in-fact the topic of dampening is hardly mentioned by any air suspension manufacturer. In conventional shocks including our OEM shocks dampening controls the rate (speed) in which the shock is compressed and expanded (rebound) allowing for a smoother ride. Without dampening the shock is like a spring and your bike becomes a POGO stick. Air suspensions use small air bags that inflate and deflate to adjust height, imagine sitting on a rubber ball as a suspension like a POGO stick. This could be you! 
(Sorry had to throw that in)
This is why I liked Progressive. They are a proven suspension company that addressed dampening from the beginning, however not in detail. Progressive uses one traditional shock exclusively for ride quality and the other shock is used to adjust height with air "bags". Depending on how you look at it the adjustment options on the Progressive it can great or a nuisance, I'm talking about the bleed off values for Ride Height and Bottoming Control.
The newer Legend L3 design does address dampening but only as far as describing it as "deflective disc dampening". This is good to know.
So the question is, does the Simplified Air Suspension from CCCS have any dampening or is it just full of air.
Since you already have an open dialog with Aaron perhaps you can forward the questions to him and let him know we are all interested in his product I'm sure he is dying to hear what we all think.
In comparing the the original Legend design L2 model with Progressive Airtail I noticed the Legend did not address the issue of dampening. As a matter-in-fact the topic of dampening is hardly mentioned by any air suspension manufacturer. In conventional shocks including our OEM shocks dampening controls the rate (speed) in which the shock is compressed and expanded (rebound) allowing for a smoother ride. Without dampening the shock is like a spring and your bike becomes a POGO stick. Air suspensions use small air bags that inflate and deflate to adjust height, imagine sitting on a rubber ball as a suspension like a POGO stick. This could be you! (Sorry had to throw that in)This is why I liked Progressive. They are a proven suspension company that addressed dampening from the beginning, however not in detail. Progressive uses one traditional shock exclusively for ride quality and the other shock is used to adjust height with air "bags". Depending on how you look at it the adjustment options on the Progressive it can great or a nuisance, I'm talking about the bleed off values for Ride Height and Bottoming Control.
The newer Legend L3 design does address dampening but only as far as describing it as "deflective disc dampening". This is good to know. So the question is, does the Simplified Air Suspension from CCCS have any dampening or is it just full of air.
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RE: SAS-99 Simplified Air Suspension - Motorcycle Air Ride
Saw your response in the other thread Phantom. I just sent him another email. Hopefully I will have an answer soon, for both questions......
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And another timely answer provided by Aaron:
Aaron has pretty much covered it all. As soon as I can, I will be placing my order.
He also would like to see this thread and link, hopefully he will jump right in!
yes - there is dampening and it is adjustable.
we have actually redesigned it for the new run (#3).
lead time is about 4 weeks (give or take).
we - as always try to be as realistic with delivery times as possible -
we also try to ship as quick as we can.
our goal, as we learn "real demand" is to have them in stock. but with
it being so new - it is still very hard to judge.
we have actually redesigned it for the new run (#3).
lead time is about 4 weeks (give or take).
we - as always try to be as realistic with delivery times as possible -
we also try to ship as quick as we can.
our goal, as we learn "real demand" is to have them in stock. but with
it being so new - it is still very hard to judge.
Aaron has pretty much covered it all. As soon as I can, I will be placing my order.
He also would like to see this thread and link, hopefully he will jump right in!
