Outdated Suspension Design
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Please continue. I'm off duty now but will still keep reading. You're a hoot. You got everybody figured out and it's neat reading your logic to everything.
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First to those that have served, currently serving our country thank you. You make a thread like this possible. What I mean is that I'm sure in some countries talk like this would not be tolerated or allowed. This forum has been a great asset to me as a new Harley owner. I ask questions here in this forum with the hope that someone can answer or guide me to an answer. Yes people have different opinions on everything and that's what they are opinions. Some are backed with facts and some with trials and tribulations. Do I think my Limited can be improved upon, yes. Do I love my Limited, yes. Its the best bike I have ever owned. Hopefully someone from home office looks at forums like this for ideas, input to help them offer a more diverse bike to the customer. The beauty of this bike or any bike for that matter is you can change what you don't like or want to improve on, that's called freedom of choice.
That said, I could have bought any bike I want for touring. For me, the touring line produced by Harley is hands down the best bike for the job. Oddly enough, I'm not alone in that feeling. Ride across America and you'll see 10:1 Harleys to every other bike produced. And that may be under estimating the ratio. I guess the majority of us want that outdated feel. And of course, we all want to do a group hug when someone insults them.
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Chrome front end with the bobtail fender? Thats an awesome bike I wish HD still made. Staff SGT of mine rides an Springer Classic. It has over 120K on it he swears he'll never ride a HD with Japanese Shocks (showa). lol
Please continue. I'm off duty now but will still keep reading. You're a hoot. You got everybody figured out and it's neat reading your logic to everything.
Please continue. I'm off duty now but will still keep reading. You're a hoot. You got everybody figured out and it's neat reading your logic to everything.
Your not giving me much ammo for more insights and logic unfortunately. It's a bit of a let down frankly. Lol.
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I think this is some funny ****...
I like my Harleys and am aware of their shortcomings and am capable of making upgrades to my suspension that make it work well.
If you don't like the way it works and you feel like someone else makes a better bike for you.....Go buy that bike!
I've read this whole thread and I for the most part agree with Nevada that this guy trolling.
The guy makes some valid points....but he's still just trolling.
I agree that Harley suspension is pretty sorry in stock condition, but it can be easily fixed and most Harley guys like to tinker with their bikes and are going to "fix" them in some way or another regardless.
I have ridden a couple of the "Rushmore" bikes and I honestly can't see what all the fuss is about because they were just as clunky and sloppy and had just as poor of a suspension setup as any other touring model I've ridden, and the "Infotainment" system is useless to me because the only music I want to hear when I'm riding is coming out of the end of the pipe.
Is the suspension system outdated?
Probably...But if you don't like it, go buy a Honda.
I like my Harleys and am aware of their shortcomings and am capable of making upgrades to my suspension that make it work well.
If you don't like the way it works and you feel like someone else makes a better bike for you.....Go buy that bike!
I've read this whole thread and I for the most part agree with Nevada that this guy trolling.
The guy makes some valid points....but he's still just trolling.
I agree that Harley suspension is pretty sorry in stock condition, but it can be easily fixed and most Harley guys like to tinker with their bikes and are going to "fix" them in some way or another regardless.
I have ridden a couple of the "Rushmore" bikes and I honestly can't see what all the fuss is about because they were just as clunky and sloppy and had just as poor of a suspension setup as any other touring model I've ridden, and the "Infotainment" system is useless to me because the only music I want to hear when I'm riding is coming out of the end of the pipe.
Is the suspension system outdated?
Probably...But if you don't like it, go buy a Honda.
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The OP has not dedicated this thread to improving anything. You got that right. The title is a little offensive - that's true as well. Not one idea on how to extend the suspension travel in all this posting is pretty suspect. Like adding 13" shocks on a SG with 1" lowering blocks for instance... This thread has nothing to do with Engineering a solution or hearing ideas. It's about insults. Still I am entertained by what he's trying to do - whatever that is. He has the right to do it and live with the consequence of a truly poorly thought out thread. His reputation and all for what it's worth.
I did notice he has not once apologized for starting a controversial thread and pissing off owners who just love their bikes. Does he have to? No, but you'd think he would if he truly wanted honest feedback without all the drama.
EDIT: Forgot to add that if the OP is a troll (and I'm not saying he is) he has baited some posters hook-line-sinker - like a boss. Too many people fall for this stuff and get all angry and really become asses thinking a bunch of posts insulting the dude is going to change anything. It won't. You've been tricked into entering the mud.
So... there's that.
Last edited by lp; Jul 5, 2015 at 09:05 AM.
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That's awesome. Advice from a guy who's time here can be counted in days.
Maybe you should reread the post - this isn't about improvements. If it was, we would all be singing Kumbaya. I've tossed a lot of improvements at my bike. I have been verbal in the past (imagine that) on the shortcomings of the factory shocks as well as the seats. The Rushmore section in particular is filled with all kinds helpful information in those regards.
What you missed, and I can't imagine how, is the title - Outdated Design. Big difference. This thread is not helpful or constructive in any way, shape, or form.
Those were personal? I'm sorry - I didn't realize you were so fragile. But where is my Knight in shining armor to protect me from all the pictures and insults the troll is posting? Oh...that's right...joining in with his troll buddy with the insults.
You like to portray yourself as this moderator of sensibility when in fact you like to stir up sh*t as much as anyone. That's why you keep coming back here to try and stick it in. If you were what you try to portray yourself as, you wouldn't even bother responding. But you do, and your every bit as insulting as I have been, if not more so. But the pathetic thing about you, and this is your track record here on HDF, is you like to hike up your skirt, step one foot in the mud, and throw stones from the side. And then when you get caught, you act like Miss Manners, there to be the voice of reason.
My 4th seeing as you asked? (yeah, I know you didn't) It was spent enjoying our freedoms on the open road. In particular, on my Springer Softail. I somehow survived that archaic design and din't post on the Softail forum what a pos it is and how I'll have to join group therapy to get over the bumps I hit.
Have you been sufficiently entertained or shall I continue?
Well there's the pot calling the kettle black. Have I posted up insulting pictures directed at you? No I haven't. So dry your eyes Nancy. I haven't said anything that wasn't true while you have acted like a spoiled child caught doing something naughty.
As far as a couple other guys - I think the majority here see it my way. I'm not sure what relationship you and your schill lp (feel better?) have that makes you so enamored with each other. Maybe you get pedicures together, who knows? I don't care. What I do know is his input means squat to me, which is just a hair more than yours.
And nice back-pedal by the way. Your troll is entitled "Outdated Design" and now you're talking "Improvements". So not only are you trolling, you have no spine, which explains the issue in the first place. My advice - start doing sit ups. If you strengthen your core, you will be able to withstand that jackhammer experience the rest of us love.
Maybe you should reread the post - this isn't about improvements. If it was, we would all be singing Kumbaya. I've tossed a lot of improvements at my bike. I have been verbal in the past (imagine that) on the shortcomings of the factory shocks as well as the seats. The Rushmore section in particular is filled with all kinds helpful information in those regards.
What you missed, and I can't imagine how, is the title - Outdated Design. Big difference. This thread is not helpful or constructive in any way, shape, or form.
Those were personal? I'm sorry - I didn't realize you were so fragile. But where is my Knight in shining armor to protect me from all the pictures and insults the troll is posting? Oh...that's right...joining in with his troll buddy with the insults.
You like to portray yourself as this moderator of sensibility when in fact you like to stir up sh*t as much as anyone. That's why you keep coming back here to try and stick it in. If you were what you try to portray yourself as, you wouldn't even bother responding. But you do, and your every bit as insulting as I have been, if not more so. But the pathetic thing about you, and this is your track record here on HDF, is you like to hike up your skirt, step one foot in the mud, and throw stones from the side. And then when you get caught, you act like Miss Manners, there to be the voice of reason.
My 4th seeing as you asked? (yeah, I know you didn't) It was spent enjoying our freedoms on the open road. In particular, on my Springer Softail. I somehow survived that archaic design and din't post on the Softail forum what a pos it is and how I'll have to join group therapy to get over the bumps I hit.
Have you been sufficiently entertained or shall I continue?
Well there's the pot calling the kettle black. Have I posted up insulting pictures directed at you? No I haven't. So dry your eyes Nancy. I haven't said anything that wasn't true while you have acted like a spoiled child caught doing something naughty.
As far as a couple other guys - I think the majority here see it my way. I'm not sure what relationship you and your schill lp (feel better?) have that makes you so enamored with each other. Maybe you get pedicures together, who knows? I don't care. What I do know is his input means squat to me, which is just a hair more than yours.
And nice back-pedal by the way. Your troll is entitled "Outdated Design" and now you're talking "Improvements". So not only are you trolling, you have no spine, which explains the issue in the first place. My advice - start doing sit ups. If you strengthen your core, you will be able to withstand that jackhammer experience the rest of us love.
I'll be the better man and walk away from all of this!
Last edited by dlesh0001; Jul 5, 2015 at 09:00 AM.
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That is awesome, and an EVO. That bike is worth money. I see people looking for them all the time. Bet you get offers. Looks brand new. BTW, I hope to be right where that photo was taken in about 3 weeks on my way to Sturgis. Touring the place and all that. Should be fun.
Other than asking you to quit with the name calling ......
The OP has not dedicated this thread to improving anything. You got that right. The title is a little offensive - that's true as well. Not one idea on how to extend the suspension travel in all this posting is pretty suspect. Like adding 13" shocks on a SG with 1" lowering blocks for instance... This thread has nothing to do with Engineering a solution or hearing ideas. It's about insults. Still I am entertained by what he's trying to do - whatever that is. He has the right to do it and live with the consequence of a truly poorly thought out thread. His reputation and all for what it's worth.
I did notice he has not once apologized for starting a controversial thread and pissing off owners who just love their bikes. Does he have to? No, but you'd think he would if he truly wanted honest feedback without all the drama.
EDIT: Forgot to add that if the OP is a troll (and I'm not saying he is) he has baited some posters hook-line-sinker - like a boss. Too many people fall for this stuff and get all angry and really become asses thinking a bunch of posts insulting the dude is going to change anything. It won't. You've been tricked into entering the mud.
So... there's that.
Other than asking you to quit with the name calling ......
The OP has not dedicated this thread to improving anything. You got that right. The title is a little offensive - that's true as well. Not one idea on how to extend the suspension travel in all this posting is pretty suspect. Like adding 13" shocks on a SG with 1" lowering blocks for instance... This thread has nothing to do with Engineering a solution or hearing ideas. It's about insults. Still I am entertained by what he's trying to do - whatever that is. He has the right to do it and live with the consequence of a truly poorly thought out thread. His reputation and all for what it's worth.
I did notice he has not once apologized for starting a controversial thread and pissing off owners who just love their bikes. Does he have to? No, but you'd think he would if he truly wanted honest feedback without all the drama.
EDIT: Forgot to add that if the OP is a troll (and I'm not saying he is) he has baited some posters hook-line-sinker - like a boss. Too many people fall for this stuff and get all angry and really become asses thinking a bunch of posts insulting the dude is going to change anything. It won't. You've been tricked into entering the mud.
So... there's that.
(yes, it's a Colbert reference)I don't care to rehash this whole mess - but I don't recall calling anyone names. Not my style. I will use descriptives like "made of glass", but name calling.....not so much. The OP on the other hand..... In fact, other than my initial rant (which was pretty mild I thought) I kept it fairly low key until the OP got his panties in a wad over being piled on. Yeah, my rant may have started it, so I guess I understand all the foolish name calling and picture posting on his part.
But on to what I really enjoy - bikes and bike related social events. Be sure to plan your visit for a Thursday. That's bike night and usually a pretty big turn out. You can even stop by and tell me what an *** I am to my face if you're very lucky.
If you don't call me too many names and have a smile on your face I might even buy you a $2 Miller High Life. Speaking of name calling...........
Nice irony. Thanks again.
Last edited by nevada72; Jul 5, 2015 at 09:23 AM.
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You call it "discuss areas for improvement", and that's your opinion. I call it bashing , and that's my opinion. You obviously aren't smart enough to know if you come on a Harley forum, with an "area for improvement " post titled "outdated suspension design", that you are being disrespectful of almost every one in here.( at least that's how it comes across) In case you didn't notice, you are catching an awful lot of flack.....js