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Old Feb 7, 2018 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nomadmax
I hear you Road. Mine has never failed but I service it every 12 months, and after I do I cycle the ABS system (both circuits) on a test ride to exchange the fluid in the HCU. I also engage ABS twice per wheel every time I ride.

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A design that leaves a user with no braking capability (on that wheel) knowing DOT 4 is hygroscopic is borderline criminal. There are literally millions of vehicles out on the road today with failed ABS systems due to a variety of reasons, neglect included, that have full residual braking capabilities. In this day an age, that's unsatisfactory.
Nomadmax you and I and a lot on this forum understand the correct way to service brakes but there are lots out there that don’t and even some HD techs might not do it 100%..my V8 Chopper uses Dot 5 although not ABS brakes

Only reason I posted this info was to possibly bring awareness to my fellow Harley riders and maybe a refund also..and I don’t want this to be personal on any level
 
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Old Feb 7, 2018 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by roadpop
Nomadmax you and I and a lot on this forum understand the correct way to service brakes but there are lots out there that don’t and even some HD techs might not do it 100%..my V8 Chopper uses Dot 5 although not ABS brakes

Only reason I posted this info was to possibly bring awareness to my fellow Harley riders and maybe a refund also..and I don’t want this to be personal on any level
You did a good thing, thank you.
 
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Old Feb 7, 2018 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by roadrash3
Eat this?? They are only flushing the fluid, I assume it sounds like one time, lol, more and more I think I have bought my last harley.
The abs failure happened to me a few years ago. HD's recall response assured that this is my last HD.

HD advertised for several years that if their abs system fails, breaking will resume to non-abs breaking. This DOES NOT happen. When the abs module fails, total loss of either the front or rear break occurs. And it is a 100% lever or brake pedal lockup. You can literally stand on the break pedal and it does not move. HD conveniently ignores their very important lie. And no fluid flush or maintenance will fix HD's dangerous abs system.

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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by roadpop
If owners aren’t smart enough to flush their brakes according to schedule,Harley’s it seems a coming to the rescue..if your going to own one of these bikes then it’s your responsibility to do the most basic of service like this or pay to get it done..what happens if the wife is on the back....
roadrash3 why would you consider it’s your last Harley...every car I’ve owned has had recalls,my current one has a potential airbag problem and it’s a 17... I had a 09 Ultra Limited with 55k miles never had a problem with brakes,but I also serviced them
just getting frustrated with all the issues going on, oil pump issues I had, and every M8 issue has me doubting Harley. My new bmw commuter bike has been flawless and I am hooked on its performance, nothing feels like my Harley’s feel though, but I am sick of them being cheap, it’s always something with the bikes, tensioners, wheel bearings, sumping, tranny transfer, brakes, clips on oil lines, freaking non stop over the years, spend the extra $5 and put the better quality component in the bike, damn thing already cost a fortune. I expect more from Harley,
 
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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Nomadmax
I..... Harley's ABS system during those years causes a complete brake failure when it goes bad. ......

What year did they improve the ABS such that 'normal' braking was still available in the event that ABS failed ?
 
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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dh_meyer
What year did they improve the ABS such that 'normal' braking was still available in the event that ABS failed ?
I think the last year for Harley ABS that didn't cause a complete brake failure when the ABS went bad was 2007. It uses a different HCU.

2007


2008

 
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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dh_meyer
What year did they improve the ABS such that 'normal' braking was still available in the event that ABS failed ?
The 2014 uses a different ABS modulator than the 2008-2013 models do. I'm not sure why the recall doesn't go to 2013 because the 12 and 13's use the same part number as the 08 thru 11's.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dh_meyer
What year did they improve the ABS such that 'normal' braking was still available in the event that ABS failed ?
Rushmores use a Bosch abs system. I have not heard of Rushmore abs lock? pre-Rushmore's have BWI abs - Beijing West Industries. HD blatantly lied, and is still lying by ignoring the claim of their abs fail safe design. ie resort to normal non-abs braking if a abs failure occurs

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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rwven
The 2014 uses a different ABS modulator than the 2008-2013 models do. I'm not sure why the recall doesn't go to 2013 because the 12 and 13's use the same part number as the 08 thru 11's.
Have been following these abs failures for a couple years, ever since mine locked up. I think its only 08-11 because the first NHTSA complaints were those years. Or, because HD used an inferior dot 4 fluid prior to 2012. We know all parts are the same. We will never know if the brake fluid was the same.

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Originally Posted by rwven
The 2014 uses a different ABS modulator than the 2008-2013 models do. I'm not sure why the recall doesn't go to 2013 because the 12 and 13's use the same part number as the 08 thru 11's.
I think Kuma hit it on the head; BWI didn't make the 12-13 units. I did find it funny that they didn't add an A or some designation to the part number the way they usually do when they change suppliers. Maybe an attempt to prove that not as many failed vs number produced and put on bikes??

A tip of the hat to old95 who posted his experience with ABS brake failure and got roasted in this thread

https://www.hdforums.com/forum/gener...king-bomb.html

Despite being drummed out of the Corps by kool aid drinkers and naysayers, he (and others, incl Kuma) dropped a dime on HD as they should have instead of walking away. Because of that, somebody may be spared the expense or injury that could arise from a failure like this. Cheers to all of you who brought this to light and stayed the course. You have my respect.
 

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