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Old Feb 8, 2018 | 10:48 AM
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With all these issues between brakes and sumping... Don't you just want to run down to the dealer, and spend money on a new Harley? I blame these issues on the people who had them, who turned around and rewarded Harley for it by buying a new bike. Why would Harley fix any issue when the Harley riding public rewards them for this behavior?
 
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Old Feb 10, 2018 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Nomadmax
It's recall worthy for the fact that Harley's ABS system during those years causes a complete brake failure when it goes bad. No other vehicle manufacturer in the world has a system like that. But, it does stand to reason since it was made by a Chinese company, BWI.

I'm glad to see that HD is going to have to eat this. It's been a long time coming.
Hey, it's the MoCo. They seem to go out of their way to design junk - then they have it made in China, just to put the icing on the cake.

Insane!
 
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Old Feb 10, 2018 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nomadmax

Despite being drummed out of the Corps by kool aid drinkers and naysayers, he (and others, incl Kuma) dropped a dime on HD as they should have instead of walking away. Because of that, somebody may be spared the expense or injury that could arise from a failure like this. Cheers to all of you who brought this to light and stayed the course. You have my respect.
Yeah, I remember two plus years go when only a couple of us were posting about this. Despite the NHTSA investigation and a few forum members confirming the failure, the doubters were publicly displaying their ignorance.

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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 07:04 AM
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Yeah, I remember two plus years go when only a couple of us were posting about this. Despite the NHTSA investigation and a few forum members confirming the failure, the doubters were publicly displaying their ignorance.

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Yep, the fanboyz on this site kinda remind me of folks who voted for the current Prez, but even more blind to the facts.

Hard to believe that's possible, but there ya have it.
 

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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 09:22 AM
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Some have suggested that cycling the ABS on startup is why cars don't have the problem. Suggestion :--- after making sure the unit operates properly, activate the ABS once a month in a parking lot, while the MOCO comes up with a software fix to the startup code in the bike chassis cpu.
 
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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by jpooch00
Hey, it's the MoCo. They seem to go out of their way to design junk - then they have it made in China, just to put the icing on the cake.

Insane!
And yet you keep buying them?
 
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Old Feb 11, 2018 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Carlos G Godfrog
Some have suggested that cycling the ABS on startup is why cars don't have the problem. Suggestion :--- after making sure the unit operates properly, activate the ABS once a month in a parking lot, while the MOCO comes up with a software fix to the startup code in the bike chassis cpu.
I cycle my ABS every ride, twice on each wheel. I also change my fluid every twelve months and cycle the ABS ten times per wheel right after.
 
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Old Feb 12, 2018 | 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nomadmax
Mine has never failed but I service it every 12 months, and after I do I cycle the ABS system (both circuits) on a test ride to exchange the fluid in the HCU. I also engage ABS twice per wheel every time I ride.

BUT

A design that leaves a user with no braking capability (on that wheel) knowing DOT 4 is hygroscopic is borderline criminal. There are literally millions of vehicles out on the road today with failed ABS systems due to a variety of reasons, neglect included, that have full residual braking capabilities. In this day an age, that's unsatisfactory.
how do you engage abs every time you ride. i'm not being a wise guy, i am just looking for an easier way to cycle mine.
 
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Old Feb 13, 2018 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tommytailspin
how do you engage abs every time you ride. i'm not being a wise guy, i am just looking for an easier way to cycle mine.
I didn't take it as a wise guy question at all. HOW you initially apply either brake is a big factor in whether a tire will skid/engage ABS. Fast/hard applications will usually do it, no matter what the surface. I think ABS has robbed the average rider in knowing what the limit of braking traction is. Four times a year I train on a closed course and braking is job one. It allows me to find the tipping point where ABS engages (on my touring bike) or wheel lock up on my non ABS Super Glide. Knowing that exact point allows me to stop in the shortest distance (excluding reaction time).

You can also use road conditions to help engage ABS. Any set of bumps, especially pavement ripples, are great; apply the brakes hard and you'll feel the bike release the brakes (Harleys are really pronounced because of the poor excuse for a tone ring in the wheel bearings). Of course wet pavement, sand, gravel and grass all make for a good way to engage ABS but you really want to be able to do it on dry pavement or concrete (and then know how to NOT do it so you can stop quicker). Additional training when the roads are wet will allow you know how much braking is available when traction is reduced.
 

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