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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 11:55 AM
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The cooling either by oil or water based coolant is for rider comfort. It is designed to take heat out of the hottest part of the head that is the known cause of roasted chestnuts. It does nothing to cool the motor. In fact, if you have a cooling motor failure it is perfectly safe to ride as it is.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 12:40 PM
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The cooling either by oil or water based coolant is for rider comfort. It is designed to take heat out of the hottest part of the head that is the known cause of roasted chestnuts. It does nothing to cool the motor. In fact, if you have a cooling motor failure it is perfectly safe to ride as it is.
Sorry, I do not agree. The four valve heads are cooled the way they are to prevent heat related failures of the exhaust valves and seats.
 
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Another thing to note about the M8 Twin-Cooled Touring Models that have radiators and a water pump....They have no oil cooler, resulting in the oil having a very difficult time shedding heat. The M8 Softails have a large oil cooler, with no where near the heat build up in the oil as the Twin Cooled Touring Models.
 
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Originally Posted by DK Custom
Another thing to note about the M8 Twin-Cooled Touring Models that have radiators and a water pump....They have no oil cooler, resulting in the oil having a very difficult time shedding heat. The M8 Softails have a large oil cooler, with no where near the heat build up in the oil as the Twin Cooled Touring Models.
That may be true while in motion. In stop-and-go traffic conditions, the fans on the twin cooled bike may give it the advantage.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Hulkss
That may be true while in motion. In stop-and-go traffic conditions, the fans on the twin cooled bike may give it the advantage.
As you noted, the liquid cooling only goes between the exhaust valves. Does not do much (or anything) to cool the oil that gets heated up by squirting on the bottoms of the pistons. On the Softails, even in stop n go traffic, at least there is a way for the oil to shed a little heat as it flows thru the monster oil cooler.

In our testing, at speed, or in stop n go, the twin cooled bikes have a very high oil temp build up that is a result of there being very little provision for that oil to shed any heat.
 
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Originally Posted by DK Custom
In our testing, at speed, or in stop n go, the twin cooled bikes have a very high oil temp build up that is a result of there being very little provision for that oil to shed any heat.
Thanks for the info, I would not have thought that to be the case.
 
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Old Nov 4, 2019 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DK Custom
As you noted, the liquid cooling only goes between the exhaust valves. Does not do much (or anything) to cool the oil that gets heated up by squirting on the bottoms of the pistons. On the Softails, even in stop n go traffic, at least there is a way for the oil to shed a little heat as it flows thru the monster oil cooler.

In our testing, at speed, or in stop n go, the twin cooled bikes have a very high oil temp build up that is a result of there being very little provision for that oil to shed any heat.
Not to get all "sumping" 'n all, but I wonder if that has anything to do with why sumping issues are more frequent in the touring bikes (besides the more obvious fact that more touring bikes are sold).
 
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Not to get all "sumping" 'n all, but I wonder if that has anything to do with why sumping issues are more frequent in the touring bikes (besides the more obvious fact that more touring bikes are sold).
The softail uses a different oil pump and the oil cooling loop, so, yes that is a possibility.
 
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Originally Posted by Hulkss
Sorry, I do not agree. The four valve heads are cooled the way they are to prevent heat related failures of the exhaust valves and seats.
oh, you’re right. That’s why they started the wet head cooling with the Rushmores. But wait...the Rushmore’s were only 2 valves per cylinder...Never mind.
 
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Originally Posted by TriGeezer
oh, you’re right. That’s why they started the wet head cooling with the Rushmores. But wait...the Rushmore’s were only 2 valves per cylinder...Never mind.
Most likely you both are correct. The liquid cooled heads on the touring bikes were for rider comfort and to help the engine maintain higher output. The additional cooling around the exhaust valves was needed for the 4-valve configuration.
 
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