Fat bob 114 stage 1 expectations
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If you are about to or just bought a new bike and warranty is important to you watch which exhaust or slip on you use IE EPA compliant. Also you must use the H-D SE-PST tuner again to retain warranty. I am assuming warranty is important to you otherwise you would likely go to an aftermarket cam. Anyway the difference, HP & TQ between the TQ cam and the power cam can be seen on a chart in both the SE & regular parts catalogs.
Your thought about the motor having enough torque and just needing more HP on top is valid just depends on where in the rpms range what power is the most important to you. Your dealership should provide you with at least one of these catalogs with a new bike purchase. Last an actual dyno tune is often considered the most important part of the AC, pipe, cam, and tune upgrade. Don't skip it if you want to get your moneys worth.
Your thought about the motor having enough torque and just needing more HP on top is valid just depends on where in the rpms range what power is the most important to you. Your dealership should provide you with at least one of these catalogs with a new bike purchase. Last an actual dyno tune is often considered the most important part of the AC, pipe, cam, and tune upgrade. Don't skip it if you want to get your moneys worth.
Last edited by VernDiesel; Apr 6, 2020 at 03:36 PM.
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IIRC, the Fat Bob has one of the better exhaust systems - it's a 2-into-1-into-2.
Somewhere on this forum some crazy Aussie posted some killer numbers (like 140+ HP) on this bike using the stock head pipe and some more open slip ons mufflers (Rineharts, I think). You stock pipes already have a lot of clearance, so the only real reason to completely replace would be to change the look or to save weight.
Somewhere on this forum some crazy Aussie posted some killer numbers (like 140+ HP) on this bike using the stock head pipe and some more open slip ons mufflers (Rineharts, I think). You stock pipes already have a lot of clearance, so the only real reason to completely replace would be to change the look or to save weight.
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Cool video Brayden lol 143 mph is rolling the road. Pipes withstanding Brayden's Powervision tuner & S&S 475 cam gets you a lot more power than an SE power cam and SE-PST. Thats why I was saying if you are looking at SE cams it should be for warranty which carrys SE-PST tuner and EPA pipe and maybe even H-D AC with it or you loose warranty anyway. Both routes have their merits just saying you want to go one route or the other not mix and match where you get part of the benefit at a higher price and loose the warranty anyway. Unless you are ok with that per a particular look you want etc.
ACK my bad for noob
SE = Screaming Eagle IE Harley's performance parts.
PST = Power Street tuner
EPA = Environmental protection agency
AC = Air Cleaner
ACK my bad for noob
SE = Screaming Eagle IE Harley's performance parts.
PST = Power Street tuner
EPA = Environmental protection agency
AC = Air Cleaner
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Jesus Brayden haha. At this point I'm wondering if I should even stick with warranty. I don't particularly want SE ****, it would just suck to be one of the unlucky guys who got a bad m8.
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SE doesn't mean **** parts but it does mean the tuner is limited as to tuning and maps for various cams and pipes etc. Regardless of which route an actual dyno tune gets the most out of the tuner and parts you select.
If you forfeit warranty PowerVision tune & S&S 475 cam like Brayden did is a great route to go IMO. Then anybodys 2-1 and air breather.
If you want to retain warranty SE-PST, SE 498 cam & springs and an S&S Streetmaster 2-1 might be worth considering. SE-498 is the stage 3 cam, an all around cam not strictly a horsepower bias cam like the stage 4 cam. Similarly I went the stage 3 route on my Sport Glide with S&S Streetmaster header & pipe and SE extreme AC to retain warranty. Dyno is posted in the dyno section with 116 WHP & 116 TQ and it runs like in Brayden's video. Below is a link to the Streetmaster on a fatbob. Its EPA legal to meet H-D warranty sounds & flows great and also comes in black. Last ordered within 60 days of bike purchase dealership should give you 20 percent off on all parts. Mine did including the S&S pipe.
https://view.publitas.com/ss-cycle/5...020/page/10-11
If you forfeit warranty PowerVision tune & S&S 475 cam like Brayden did is a great route to go IMO. Then anybodys 2-1 and air breather.
If you want to retain warranty SE-PST, SE 498 cam & springs and an S&S Streetmaster 2-1 might be worth considering. SE-498 is the stage 3 cam, an all around cam not strictly a horsepower bias cam like the stage 4 cam. Similarly I went the stage 3 route on my Sport Glide with S&S Streetmaster header & pipe and SE extreme AC to retain warranty. Dyno is posted in the dyno section with 116 WHP & 116 TQ and it runs like in Brayden's video. Below is a link to the Streetmaster on a fatbob. Its EPA legal to meet H-D warranty sounds & flows great and also comes in black. Last ordered within 60 days of bike purchase dealership should give you 20 percent off on all parts. Mine did including the S&S pipe.
https://view.publitas.com/ss-cycle/5...020/page/10-11
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When I said SE ****, I didn't mean I thought they were **** parts, I just used the word **** in place of stuff. I thought the 114 had a high-flow already, still needs to be upgraded? Lastly, do I really need an EPA compliant exhaust to retain warranty?
Nobody mentioned anything about 20% off parts after buying a new bike there, I'll have to ask.
Nobody mentioned anything about 20% off parts after buying a new bike there, I'll have to ask.
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When I said SE ****, I didn't mean I thought they were **** parts, I just used the word **** in place of stuff. I thought the 114 had a high-flow already, still needs to be upgraded? Lastly, do I really need an EPA compliant exhaust to retain warranty? Nobody mentioned anything about 20% off parts after buying a new bike there, I'll have to ask.
Yes, you need a CARB compliant exhaust to keep your warranty.
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If that's the case, I won't be happy with the bike if it's still under warranty.
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As to the 20% discount on parts etc at or ordered within 60 days of new bike purchase I thought that was Harley wide. Here is perhaps a better link on the exhaust.
https://www.sscycle.com/products/sup...oftail-models/