Yeah that's what I meant by "the latest oil pump". Are you running the 2-2 V&H pipes? How does the 468 sound with them? is it louder?

 

I have Rineharts. Since the cats are in the slip ons on softails I kept the stock header. I know it sucks, but I am picky and I cannot stand the sound of a farting 2:1 with no tone just loud farting. And 2:1 may be good for performance but I also cant stand the mono sound like something is broke or missing when you get on the fart of it. As where duals have stereo sound and tone. I dont think people realize there is a 2:1 is not the only way to get good exhaust scavenging. Cross over pipes like Jackpot get the same results and you can keep the dual sound and thunder. Also Krome Works dual exhaust systems put out same numbers if not better then D&D at times. The problem is with softails they dont have too many options with headers for us Breakout softail guys so we are forced to take 2:1 exhaust systems. My tuner didnt think id get any power with the stock header and I don't care go for it.. I left some power on the table but the result was sick seat of pants. Even my tuner said if you wanna go faster get a Hayabusa lol. Numbers are important but living by the dyno number and not the correct curve is wrong. You can have a 150/150 dyno sheet but the torque doesnt come in until 3700 rpm because you have a horsepower cam and horsepower is only a calculation that comes to peak at 5252. Harleys are like Diesel engines with a heavy crank. Torque is what caries a harley down the street. If people studied the curve they would see when down low at 2500 to 4000 rpm your horsepower on any given dyno sheet is 30 to 60...so that is what is getting the front wheels off the ground and breaking the rear wheels going down the road, I think not the peak hp of a bike like 150 is not reached until 5252 rpm . The race is over by then, Now if your racing on a track keeping the bike above 4000 rpm these big horsepower cams are good and drag racing at WOT your good. If your riding on the street you need torque down low to get the bike excellerating like a wall. A Harley is under square with a heavy flywheel. they don't flip fast rpm like a sport bike to get you into the over square engine horsepower which is what carries a sport bike so when sport bike people or car people talk horsepower its ok but you don't hear diesel truck people talk horses, they talk torque . that is what blasts a turbo diesel down the road like a harley. I have seen big 131 builds with 521 hp cam be neck and neck with a stage 2 bike with just a S&S 475 cam from a dead stop and from 40 mph rolling start and the guy with the 131 is like I spent all this money to get matched by a stage 2 with a very versatile cam with low to mid torque being the 475 with some right curve too that gets better with cubes and compression. Of course the 131 pulled away when they were doing 80 the 131 started inching away but it shouldnt be like that. Well to end it I got 126/149 on my sheet for my bike . Now If I would have gotten a D&D 2:1 I would have gotten possibly 135/152 since i have a 468 torque cam. My tuner didnt believe my set up with 64 mm TB would work then he road my bike after the tune and he couldnt believe how fast it was. It is scary too ride he said. its so nasty with torque out of the clutch its hard to cruise in a parking lot. she wants to buck you off and when you get on it the front end comes up or it just twists and shredds the rear tire violently and pulls all the way to 5500 rpm like that. People behind me say all you see is a dust cloud explosion and she launches and I leave rubber road stripes that dissipate after each shift and I am gone like a dragster. the 468 cam is a low to mid cam but when I added the 64 mm TB it took my torque to the right a bit keeping her pulling nasty hard until 5500 and I didnt lose much on the bottom due to the bigger throttle body hence the violent launches and nasty torque when cruising at low speeds. My bike creates 140 ft pounds of torque at 2500 rpm...a wall and it carries it to 149 at 3800 rpm and 135 torque at 5500 with stock free flowing headers and rineaharts. The bike is so damn fast. I am neck to neck from 0-60 with my friends GXer liter bike ...he cant believe how explosive it is when i can keep it down and my wife has a 2020 R6 and I destroy her looking at her in the rear mirror from 0-80 and of course after 80 my *** is grass but the point is made. Torque down low and mid is needed in street riding. We spend most of our time between 2500 and 4000. and even though my bike takes the tq out to 5500 if I want to seal someones fate I shift at 4000 and its even quicker . I have beaten dyno sheet 150/150 boys bad because there curve. The horses matter not saying they don't but the horses are catapulting your bike down low to mid, the torque is. I dont think ill ever get rid of this cam this bike is so fast but if i got a higher lift cam it has to be one that has low end and mid torgue like a TTS 250 or red shift 548 with head work to give me the same low and mid I have now but the cam producing the hp to carry me to redline. but id never get a high lift hp cam that didnt give me low and mid tq just to have awesome hp numbers at top. that isnt a fast bike on the street. lastly the rineharts sound ground pounding sick with my 128 build. My friend says they sound better then his 2:1 by far and he couldnt believe it. I never fallow what everyone else does. I do my own thing, do my research and benchmark and try things out. I argued with so many builders telling them stop talking to me about horsepower on my bike lets talk torque and were I want my torque curve in relation to my riding style for the street . On the dyno where we ride ill say in again there is no hp numbers. the first half or 3/4 of curve on the tq side is way above hp and they meet at 5252. Under that if you dont have the torque your getting walked on pulled away from and passed.