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I am 23 and just bought my first Harley. Bought used from the local dealership with stage one already installed (2 into 2 big radius V&H), not 100% sure abt the air cleaner, I think its the 90 deg Arlen ness. I'm also not sure what tuner was used on the bike.. I've looked a couple times (didn't pull anything but the side covers off) and haven't seen a tuner plugged in there still. But i was told that it was tuned. No running issues at all, this thing is a beast!
I'm looking to go with the S&S 475C cam chest kit, that has the cam, inner bearing, adj. pushrods, tappet cuffs, chain tensioner, oil pump, cam chest, and lifters ($1450). Then get a powervision to try and tune with. Not really looking to dyno it.
I've heard that the big radius open pipes can cause some problems as far as tuning goes with this cam. I specifically want this cam bc of the sound, i love it. Performance is just a +. Especially with the big radius pipes, they sound wickeddd. I don't care how loud it will be, and I don't care abt dyno numbers, this thing is already fast as hell so anything extra is just icing on the cake.
If anyone could shine some light on this subject it would be greatly appreciated... Just don't want to run into any unexpected problems when i go to do this upgrade.
I'd definitely talk with the guys at Power Vision first. They are great to deal with and obviously very knowledgeable. I had the S&S 525 cam on a previous Fatboy and I had serious problems. Don't just take S&S word, talk to the guys at Power Vision.
I've had the PV on past bikes and it's easy to use and I love the way you can stick it on your bars and monitor your bike's performance.
If you're going to go with a "Stage 2" upgrade on the motor, I highly suggest that you have the bike Dyno tuned by a reputable shop or Dealer along with whichever tuner module you choose. It should only run you around an extra $400, or there abouts, and the bike will definitely thank you for it and you will be much happier in the end.
I wouldnt waste money on the s&s pump and plate, just make sure the latest Harley pump is there when you do the install. I also would skip the cuffs if your doing it yourself, Harley used some super thread locker on them causing issues with removal (snapped bolts). In some cases the entire motor had to be removed to fix it.
I have a 2020 Breakout with an S&S 128 kit and 468 redshift cam, 64 mm TB, 5.5 injectors 10:75 comp . Most think the torque cam is too short but its not. its a rocket until 5500 rpm. I do not ride my bike like a sport bike at the top near redline. I ride it where the muscle needs to be from bottom to mid to part of top and I am shifting. I almost got a S&S 475 which is a great cam that takes it more to the right with good bottom on the left but the 475 I would not do with a stage 2. That cam likes compression and some cubes. The juice would not be worth the squeeze hence it is not a bolt in cam. And I would recommend a dyno tune. Do not to any FP3 tunes.
After reading around i think i actually going to go with the redshift 468!
Will probably just stay with stage 2 for now bc of $$$. Im thinking about just putting the latest oil pump, cam, adjustable push rods, s&s lifters and tappet cuffs.
Sometime down the road ill end up at stage 4 lol cant get enough of that speed
I have a 2020 Breakout with an S&S 128 kit and 468 redshift cam, 64 mm TB, 5.5 injectors 10:75 comp . Most think the torque cam is too short but its not. its a rocket until 5500 rpm. I do not ride my bike like a sport bike at the top near redline. I ride it where the muscle needs to be from bottom to mid to part of top and I am shifting. I almost got a S&S 475 which is a great cam that takes it more to the right with good bottom on the left but the 475 I would not do with a stage 2. That cam likes compression and some cubes. The juice would not be worth the squeeze hence it is not a bolt in cam. And I would recommend a dyno tune. Do not to any FP3 tunes.
Thank you!!
After reading around i think i actually going to go with the redshift 468!
Will probably just stay with stage 2 for now bc of $$$. Im thinking about just putting the latest oil pump, cam, adjustable push rods, s&s lifters and tappet cuffs.
Sometime down the road ill end up at stage 4 lol cant get enough of that speed
After reading around i think i actually going to go with the redshift 468!
Will probably just stay with stage 2 for now bc of $$$. Im thinking about just putting the latest oil pump, cam, adjustable push rods, s&s lifters and tappet cuffs.
Sometime down the road ill end up at stage 4 lol cant get enough of that speed
If you don't want to spend all the money on a Fueiling or S&S pump and plate , go with HD latest rev pump. It is the one on the 2020 models and up. It is the one that finally made leaps to fixing the sumping issue yet sumping is not an issue with softails. I read like .02 % of softails had issues. its an issue with touring bikes but it doesnt mean it wont be a problem for a softail. the issue isnt having enough oil to pump around. The issue with sumping is scavenging. The new HD Pump scavenges 44% more on top up pumping more oil as well. Since motors are having problems on the scavenging end buying a high flow S&S or fueiling will exaggerate the problem when the pump cant scavange the oil fast enough in the first place. Dont quote me but I dont think these high end race pumps have the scavenging capabilities of the the latest rev from HD because it has been the fix. And you should be fine for a stage 2 with it anyhow. If you read on the forums the aftermarket S&S and fueling has worked for a lot of people but for others it just kicked the problem down the road to happen again, and both manufacturers say there products do not guarantee from sumping. I have not seen any issues with HD's latest pump causing issues but instead being the fix. there are other things that help in causing sumping beside the pump. Oil jets in the heads , and other things combined. I am honestly running the new HD pump in my 128 build and not an issue in 4000 hard beating miles, and when i check my oil it returns to the tank in an instant after i let it idle out and shut down. there is no wondering if i have to fill it because you think you burned 8 ounces when its still stuck in the case, hence scavenging.. too much oil in the case is like walking in deep mud, equals sumping. get the oil in and out.
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2019 114 breakout STAGEII help!
