Torque Cam M8 107
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I looked at all the graphs of torque cams, weighed in the fact I have a Harley extended, and went with SE tuner and torque cam. I got the S&S lifters and cam bearing and cups and pushrods. My warranty is intact, no worries. I will tell you one thing straight up, this thing PULLS LIKE A TRACTOR. I cant see anyone wanting more, other than true speed freaks, not riders. look at the comparison graphs, the difference is a **** hair in real world application. while in there, invest $150 on the 2022 oil pump, I got mine free under extended, and got a nice offset on labor for cam sway since tech was already in there to upgrade pump. I told dealer I had no problem with sumping, they didn't care, and replaced it anyway. (total labor=$200)
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The oil pump part number is the same for 2022 as 2020.
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"while in there, invest $150 on the 2022 oil pump, I got mine free under extended, and got a nice offset on labor for cam sway since tech was already in there to upgrade pump. I told dealer I had no problem with sumping, they didn't care, and replaced it anyway. (total labor=$200)"
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Largely based on @$tonecold generous sharing of his and Steve's work, no question the TTS-100 cam was for me. It's being installed now, seeing as winter in Minnesota ain't riding season.
The Pro Shop I went with said he 'normally' does Zipper's Red Shift 468. Well yeah, because most bikes he sees are touring, not cruisers like my Heritage. RS 468 has the highest torque peak of any aftermarket cams I've seen - BUT - that peak occurs at mid range rpm. If you're big into touring, that might be the cam for you. If you're into cruising, with lots of stops and starts and hills, you want that torque at lowest rpm you can get - the rpm AFTER you shift - not before you shift. You want the torque to accelerate - not for on-highway passing.
Armed with this knowledge you can pick the cam for your rpm application. By the way, the TTS-100 is a significant torque improvement over Woods 22X.
The Pro Shop I went with said he 'normally' does Zipper's Red Shift 468. Well yeah, because most bikes he sees are touring, not cruisers like my Heritage. RS 468 has the highest torque peak of any aftermarket cams I've seen - BUT - that peak occurs at mid range rpm. If you're big into touring, that might be the cam for you. If you're into cruising, with lots of stops and starts and hills, you want that torque at lowest rpm you can get - the rpm AFTER you shift - not before you shift. You want the torque to accelerate - not for on-highway passing.
Armed with this knowledge you can pick the cam for your rpm application. By the way, the TTS-100 is a significant torque improvement over Woods 22X.
Edit: I think I already said that.......
Last edited by Hulkss; Jan 10, 2023 at 12:54 PM.
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Whether your dealer will stand behind the warranty if they installed the S&S parts is a different matter. They should. But the mothership won't.
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Wait, what? HD will tell you that if you use non HD parts in the motor, then your powertrain warranty is gone. i.e. S&S lifters etc...they can't warrant another manufacturer's parts, which is fair enough.
Whether your dealer will stand behind the warranty if they installed the S&S parts is a different matter. They should. But the mothership won't.
Whether your dealer will stand behind the warranty if they installed the S&S parts is a different matter. They should. But the mothership won't.
If the aftermarket parts take the bike out of EPA emissions compliance, then the warranty is poofed.
But if the aftermarket parts are strictly replacements for existing parts, that don't change the parameters of performance of the bike in one way or another, then no, they absolutely cannot deny warranty coverage for that. I don't know what the S&S lifters claim to do better than the Harley parts, but if they perform the same (and just don't break), then the warranty will be fine with that.
If they want to deny warranty coverage, they would have to prove that the aftermarket parts caused the damage. Or that you had added aftermarket parts that make the bike illegal to operate on the roadways (tuner, camshaft, pipes, replacement ECM, etc).
For clarification, you're right, a year ago HD *would* have told you your warranty was gone for having non-HD parts in the engine, but that was specifically rebuked by the FTC and now they had to issue an update to their warranty policy to state that using aftermarket replacement parts does not, in and of itself, invalidate the warranty.
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Then it is on you to take them to court and make them prove it.
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Red Shift 468 is awesome, yes I went with the updated HD oil pump. Paid for a license at my local speed shop and did the ECM remap, no piggyback tuner to mess around with.
You can read all the camshaft threads on here and see all the graphs, whatever you put in will be better than the factory emission ready camshaft.
You have also reached the slippery slope of how far to go with upgrades.....ride, fuel, ride, fuel, everything else is just in the way of riding
You can read all the camshaft threads on here and see all the graphs, whatever you put in will be better than the factory emission ready camshaft.
You have also reached the slippery slope of how far to go with upgrades.....ride, fuel, ride, fuel, everything else is just in the way of riding
Last edited by Warrant; Jan 20, 2023 at 11:57 AM.
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From: Sh*tty of Lost Angels
Here you go, this will give you some insight into some of the available cams. https://www.hdforums.com/forum/milwa...m-testing.html
There have been a number of new offerings since this was done, like the CycleRama 480, but this will give you a lot of information. The RS468 is a really good torque cam, but if you are looking for something that pulls from idle on up like the stock cam, then the TTS100 is the way to go.
There have been a number of new offerings since this was done, like the CycleRama 480, but this will give you a lot of information. The RS468 is a really good torque cam, but if you are looking for something that pulls from idle on up like the stock cam, then the TTS100 is the way to go.
I don't really see the need to change out the air filter or stock exhaust, since this cam runs best below 4000 rpm so breathing well is not really a limitation or issue, plus I much like how quiet the stock exhaust system is. I rarely run over 3500 rpm, even when getting on the freeway, since I ride solo all the time and the bike, being a softail, only weighs about 700#.
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