HD Engineers have mechanic experience?
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HD Engineers have mechanic experience?
I have a 2021 FLSB. Either the engineers don't read the shop manual or they don't intend that you work on your own bike. The Molex MX150 connector instructions are absolutely brain dead. I found the Molex instructions that are very clear but it appears that HD has a custom version of these connectors. Even worse is the location of of the connectors for the O2 sensors which are absolutely brain dead. Hmmmm... maybe this is an example of why they discontinued the best handling bike in HD history?
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The Technical Editor's of the service manuals are often to blame for the, er, "interesting" descriptions and mistakes therein.
Very rarely are vehicles of any type made with future service in consideration. Saab is about the only exception to that I am aware of that did this.
Very rarely are vehicles of any type made with future service in consideration. Saab is about the only exception to that I am aware of that did this.
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The Technical Editor's of the service manuals are often to blame for the, er, "interesting" descriptions and mistakes therein.
Very rarely are vehicles of any type made with future service in consideration. Saab is about the only exception to that I am aware of that did this.
Very rarely are vehicles of any type made with future service in consideration. Saab is about the only exception to that I am aware of that did this.
wonder that harley would make if they started making things like HIMARs or carl gustav type rockets. 2024 M8 HARLEY MODULAR ROCKET LAUNCHER...AND ITS CAMMED.!!!
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I don't think that many consider a Buell a Harley for that very reason.
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The Technical Editor's of the service manuals are often to blame for the, er, "interesting" descriptions and mistakes therein.
Very rarely are vehicles of any type made with future service in consideration. Saab is about the only exception to that I am aware of that did this.
Very rarely are vehicles of any type made with future service in consideration. Saab is about the only exception to that I am aware of that did this.
But, most usually professional engineers, fresh out of college and in their first engineering position will jump into machining, assembly, electrical, and all sorts of technical areas to gain real-world experience. It depends upon their college degree. I have worked with young engineers who have their degree in physics who spent quite a bit of "hands-on" time in production. An engineer will most likely, over time, be able to give information far beyond what a mechanic might imagine.
Engineers will write extensive instructions but most usually a technical writer will prepare for publication for the product service and owner manual. The reason for the need of technical writers is that the advanced understanding of the engineers most usually does not include a skill of communication.
But, Harley-Davidson may do it differently.
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Comparing my 19 Heritage to my 94 Heritage Id say that Harley-Davidson doesnt want you to work on these newer bikes at all. It seems like theyve deliberately made even the simplest task an exercise in utter frustration.
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With regard to the shop manual, I'm a software architect and I've worked with tech writers for 35 years and can tell you by and large they know how to write and nothing else. They can talk the talk for sure, they have to, but they cannot walk the walk. In their defense however, they can't know what they don't know. The information that gets published is what's given to them by engineering, it's not like they're out crawling around a bike and writing things down. The more you use the manual you'll see how many errors it contains.
