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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by foxtrapper
For the fun of it, I told Facebook to search a 100 mile radius from Calgary.
No problem finding lots of lifts to chose from, new and used, often for under $100 canada.

You might find that powerfist unit interesting.
I have seen all those ads, and have answered them, as far away as I care to drive to pick one up, but no dice (Calgary is pushing the limits of how far I am wiling to drive for a jack lift that is far from being my preferred choice.) The most common problem is that the vast majority of the lifts won't go low enough to handle the Breakout, with its left frame tube sitting only 3.75" above the ground. I generally have had to ask each seller to take the minimum height measurement as the first qualifier. The answers so far have been much higher than 3.75". The most common models are the cheap ones sold at Canadian Tire (offers "Motomaster") and Princess Auto (offers "Powerfist"), our Canadian nearest equivalents to Harbor Freight, because that's what most occasional users buy and then later sell. Those models are mostly all junk unless they are the better very much older models, but with the older models the minimum height issue is pretty much always too high.

I continue to look daily, but paraphrasing what Einstein said long ago, if you keep doing the same wrong thing you will continue to get the wrong results. I am starting to look at "material handling lifts" instead, and see what that more industrial, higher quality and durability, and more safety conscious equipment marketplace might be offering.

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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker
Silly children, use a lift to get it up, sit the bike on a dolly then it doesn't make on rats f**k what brand lift you have and it's as or more stable than a table lift and nowhere near as much garage used up.
How did you get the bike onto the dollie??

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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 09:58 PM
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Ok, here is what a "light duty" SERIOUS material handling lift looks like. THIS specific example only lifts 750 lb, but does it all day every day, SAFELY, and uses a hydraulic system somehow coupled to an INDUSTRIAL CHAIN, and the lifting plate is SO strong that it needs to be only about 1/2" thick, and can get under a load with a ground clearance of just one-half inch:

https://www.grainger.ca/en/product/7...EEL/p/GGM2MPU5

This baby weighs 160 lb and goes for $1186 CDN ( = "only" $866 US) plus sales tax and you pick it up from an industrial warehouse, but now you are actually getting something more dependable and less risky than the typical retail level motorcycle lift.

This speciifc example has way more "tower" than needed that would just get in the way used as a motorcycle lift, and the lift platform length is a nice 22 inches but a too-wide 22 inches, but hey, there are probably a zillion more appropriate sizes and capacities, because so MANY businesses handle heavy items in their warehousing and shipping operations.

I should take a look for a lift in THAT world. Our flatbottomed Softails don't even need any adaptors. Just need to pick the right weight capacity,and the right overall shape that minimizes the 'tower" because we don't need or want anywhere near that amount of lift height (this example lifts 54 inches!).

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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JimGnitecki
How did you get the bike onto the dollie??

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Pretty simple... Never rely on a jack alone to work on one don't care what brand it is.


 
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Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker
Pretty simple... Never rely on a jack alone to work on one don't care what brand it is.

Ok, I see now. You have a lift that fits entirely inside the dolly, lift the bike first, slide the dolly in from the opposite side, and then remove the lift. It's a LITTLE more time and effort, but not bad! And if the dolly does NOT have wheels, or has lockable wheels, it can be much steadier and more stable than when on a lift.

Thanks for pointing this out, TwiZted Biker.

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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JimGnitecki
Ok, I see now. You have a lift that fits entirely inside the dolly, lift the bike first, slide the dolly in from the opposite side, and then remove the lift. It's a LITTLE more time and effort, but not bad! And if the dolly does NOT have wheels, or has lockable wheels, it can be much steadier and more stable than when on a lift.

Thanks for pointing this out, TwiZted Biker.

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5 minutes, all it takes to get it on or off the dolly. You want good wheels, you'll want to move the bike around or leave it up at some point. Doesn't get any more stable, strapped down you can get real physical, pull the frontend, wheels, whatever
 
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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TwiZted Biker
5 minutes, all it takes to get it on or off the dolly. You want good wheels, you'll want to move the bike around or leave it up at some point. Doesn't get any more stable, strapped down you can get real physical, pull the frontend, wheels, whatever
That would even be practical for doing a full bike wash. Doesn't matter if you get water on the dolly. Easy to dry it off given its small and simple shape.

And at ;east in theory, you could make that dolly any custom width that you want, varying the width to either enable easier access to the bike or to make it more stable against moving when you use high torque on nuts or bolts. As long as it clears the lift, no problem.

Thanks for broadening my tunnel vision.

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Old Jul 19, 2024 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JimGnitecki
How did you get the bike onto the dollie??

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See video.


 
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Originally Posted by JimGnitecki
Ok, here is what a "light duty" SERIOUS material handling lift looks like.
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This really isn't the right tool Jim.

They are made to move things, not to hold things. As such, they do not have the safety features to support the load mechanically. Instead, it is held up hydraulically, just like a forklift, pallet jack or a tommygate. None are recommended as a work station because of that.

The one you are excited about is a glorified hand cart.

The lifting mechanism is simply an overhung chain lift. The hydraulic cylinder goes up X, the lift goes up 2X.
An animated GIF file to show you how it works:
https://acropolis-wp-content-uploads...ulley-2x-2.gif

The thin lifting decks on this type are prone to sagging under load, and and permanently deforming under heavy loads.

You will likely have to cut the lift platform down to fully fit under your bike, but perhaps not. Though that could have the bike being lifted far out on the platform tongue, which will sag and bend the lift deck even more.

It is a vertical lift, not angled, and you will run afoul of the bike with regards to sliding it under the bike, and lifting the bike.

Being a solid deck you will not be able to perform oil changes and such with the bike up on it.

You will also find the deck slippery, and the bike, not being perfectly flat underneath, will likely rock on it.

There are no provisions for tying a bike down onto it, though you could be creative.

If you are determined to use a Dayton hand cart, I'd suggest the 2MPU9 would be better suited, having adjustable lifting tines.
​​​​​​https://www.grainger.ca/en/product/7...IFT/p/GGM2MPU9
 

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Originally Posted by CoolBreeze3646
Great video that does a good job of showing the feautres and dimensions needed for a stand / dolly, and how to use it. Thank-you for posting it!

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