UGH Need advice Front Stage
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Originally Posted by 09baggerdude
Check the specs brother...
150x4 @ 4 ohms
150x4 @ 2ohms...
150x4 @ 4 ohms
150x4 @ 2ohms...
Gonna stick with my cave man theory about high SPL 4 ohm speaks for fairing and lowers in parallel with this amp.
T.
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Ok guys lots of confusing info in this thread. My opinion after running this amp with various speakers (I've had this amp 3 different times in my fairing)
1. I would never run any speakers regardless of sensitivity in parallel off this amp.
2. If you run two pa drivers in parallel How do you power the horns?
3. I would not run coaxials and pa drivers in parallel. They each need their own channel
4. If your gonna run any speakers in parallel you need an amp that doesn't have the constant power/regulated power we discussed in the other thread. Ideally speakers would be the same
5. I personally don't think the Arc Moto speakers get loud enough with that amp. I'd prefer higher sensitivity speakers like the Hertz.
1. I would never run any speakers regardless of sensitivity in parallel off this amp.
2. If you run two pa drivers in parallel How do you power the horns?
3. I would not run coaxials and pa drivers in parallel. They each need their own channel
4. If your gonna run any speakers in parallel you need an amp that doesn't have the constant power/regulated power we discussed in the other thread. Ideally speakers would be the same
5. I personally don't think the Arc Moto speakers get loud enough with that amp. I'd prefer higher sensitivity speakers like the Hertz.
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After more analysis
I may ditch the rear pod speakers and just put dummy pods on the tour pak.
So that leaves just a 6 speaker system
fairing --lowers and 6x9 in the lids
Im thinking
Lowers = MPX 165.3 PRO
Fairing = Motto 602
Lids = Tailwind Special
Run front stage off the ARC 600.4 @ 4 ohms 150 watts a set
Put a MVP in the fairing and bridge it @ 4 ohms for the 6X9
Still looking at the 998 for HU
I have on stand by
Moto 692
Focal PC 165
SS PN4000.1D
I may ditch the rear pod speakers and just put dummy pods on the tour pak.
So that leaves just a 6 speaker system
fairing --lowers and 6x9 in the lids
Im thinking
Lowers = MPX 165.3 PRO
Fairing = Motto 602
Lids = Tailwind Special
Run front stage off the ARC 600.4 @ 4 ohms 150 watts a set
Put a MVP in the fairing and bridge it @ 4 ohms for the 6X9
Still looking at the 998 for HU
I have on stand by
Moto 692
Focal PC 165
SS PN4000.1D
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Mak,
Any reason that u would not try to run the Focal PC 165 in your lowers prior to purchasing the Hertz MPX 165, since u already have the Focal in your possession?
The Focal PC series is pretty damn stout. The 150 w is more than enuff power to make those do very well.
T.
Any reason that u would not try to run the Focal PC 165 in your lowers prior to purchasing the Hertz MPX 165, since u already have the Focal in your possession?
The Focal PC series is pretty damn stout. The 150 w is more than enuff power to make those do very well.
T.
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Mak,
Any reason that u would not try to run the Focal PC 165 in your lowers prior to purchasing the Hertz MPX 165, since u already have the Focal in your possession?
The Focal PC series is pretty damn stout. The 150 w is more than enuff power to make those do very well.
T.
Any reason that u would not try to run the Focal PC 165 in your lowers prior to purchasing the Hertz MPX 165, since u already have the Focal in your possession?
The Focal PC series is pretty damn stout. The 150 w is more than enuff power to make those do very well.
T.
TW
Thats a good point
Like all of you guys I can always change it up if it dosent meet expectations
I was gonna run the Focals in the TP pods, Totally forgot about them as an option.
Sounds like a good starting point
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After more analysis
I may ditch the rear pod speakers and just put dummy pods on the tour pak.
So that leaves just a 6 speaker system
fairing --lowers and 6x9 in the lids
Im thinking
Lowers = MPX 165.3 PRO
Fairing = Motto 602
Lids = Tailwind Special
Run front stage off the ARC 600.4 @ 4 ohms 150 watts a set
Put a MVP in the fairing and bridge it @ 4 ohms for the 6X9
Still looking at the 998 for HU
I have on stand by
Moto 692
Focal PC 165
SS PN4000.1D
I may ditch the rear pod speakers and just put dummy pods on the tour pak.
So that leaves just a 6 speaker system
fairing --lowers and 6x9 in the lids
Im thinking
Lowers = MPX 165.3 PRO
Fairing = Motto 602
Lids = Tailwind Special
Run front stage off the ARC 600.4 @ 4 ohms 150 watts a set
Put a MVP in the fairing and bridge it @ 4 ohms for the 6X9
Still looking at the 998 for HU
I have on stand by
Moto 692
Focal PC 165
SS PN4000.1D
The fairing speakers are going to provide the most sound and where you want to put the best quality speakers. Out of the speaker you listed the Mille Pro's would be a good choice, or even better one of the Hertz components you listed above as long as they will perform will with 150w.
I like the Mille Pro's and have a pair in the lowers on my SG. They sound fantastic parked or at very low speeds. At around 50 they will start turning into background noise. The Hertz SV 165.1 that Gann suggested would be a better choice if you don't like the Focals you already have to try in that location. I am most likely going to swap out the Mille Pros for the SV 165.1's in the lower.
The tourpak pod speaker are the speakers you hear second to the fairing speakers at speed when the lowers and lids fade. I think you would be making a mistake by deleting these speakers. A pair of Mille Pros or the Focal PC 165 would work well back there. Or even the Polk mm651 as a drop in speaker. I just swapped out the Moto 602's for the Mille Pros in the TP pods because the 602's where coming on to late do to the difference in sensitivity between the two type speakers. The Mille Pros are a big improvement.
I don't have lid speakers yet but when I do I'm most likely going to give the Pioneer Pro's a try. Can't go wrong for the price. I assume this is the Tailwind Special!
Just my 2 cents.
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The tourpak pod speaker are the speakers you hear second to the fairing speakers at speed when the lowers and lids fade. I think you would be making a mistake by deleting these speakers. A pair of Mille Pros or the Focal PC 165 would work well back there.
I'm most likely going to give the Pioneer Pro's a try. Can't go wrong for the price. I assume this is the Tailwind Special!
I'm most likely going to give the Pioneer Pro's a try. Can't go wrong for the price. I assume this is the Tailwind Special!
Im still thinking it all over.
The beauty is the speaker swaps are easy, so I may start with combination A: and then move to combination B: similar to what you did with the Milles
I agree the Mille in the front and the Focals in the tour pak makes sense. But I ride without the tour pak 85% of the time. That was what drew me to the ARC amp 4 ohm or 2 ohm it still put out 150 watts
my initial thought was when I pulled the tour pak speakers, I dont have to fuss with the amp.
and yes I bought the Motto 692 for my lids
but got a good deal on a pair of Pioneer 6900 Pro
Or the Tailwind Speakers as Gann calls them.
Im sure I will end up running 2 amps somehow.
It will be a fun journey. Im just starting
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The Focals were originally going to be my tour pak speakers
Im still thinking it all over.
The beauty is the speaker swaps are easy, so I may start with combination A: and then move to combination B: similar to what you did with the Milles
I agree the Mille in the front and the Focals in the tour pak makes sense. But I ride without the tour pak 85% of the time. That was what drew me to the ARC amp 4 ohm or 2 ohm it still put out 150 watts
my initial thought was when I pulled the tour pak speakers, I dont have to fuss with the amp.
and yes I bought the Motto 692 for my lids
but got a good deal on a pair of Pioneer 6900 Pro
Or the Tailwind Speakers as Gann calls them.
Im sure I will end up running 2 amps somehow.
It will be a fun journey. Im just starting
Im still thinking it all over.
The beauty is the speaker swaps are easy, so I may start with combination A: and then move to combination B: similar to what you did with the Milles
I agree the Mille in the front and the Focals in the tour pak makes sense. But I ride without the tour pak 85% of the time. That was what drew me to the ARC amp 4 ohm or 2 ohm it still put out 150 watts
my initial thought was when I pulled the tour pak speakers, I dont have to fuss with the amp.
and yes I bought the Motto 692 for my lids
but got a good deal on a pair of Pioneer 6900 Pro
Or the Tailwind Speakers as Gann calls them.
Im sure I will end up running 2 amps somehow.
It will be a fun journey. Im just starting
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With the differences in the speakers 2 amps are really the only option. Running the moto in parallel with the Hertz is a epic fail. Do you want fairing only or open to a bag amp? For a bag amp the DD SS2B is monster to power all your needs but need to have similar compatible speakers to pull parallel loads.
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With the differences in the speakers 2 amps are really the only option. Running the moto in parallel with the Hertz is a epic fail. Do you want fairing only or open to a bag amp? For a bag amp the DD SS2B is monster to power all your needs but need to have similar compatible speakers to pull parallel loads.
Im gonna look at all my options
I have all winter, so this was just the first phase
I suspected the ARC was going to come up short.
So I will take baby steps for now
Part of my challenge is the removable tour pak and I like to ride with the lowers off .
So that limits a lot of options
Ill Check out the DD amp Thanks