inconsistency setting amplifier gains - test tones
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inconsistency setting amplifier gains - test tones
I originally updated an old post, but decided I needed a new post.
Here is the background:
I installed a JL MHX280/4 and some Arc Moto 602 speakers in my 2017 Road Glide. I wasn't very happy with the volume, especially at 70+ MPH, I thought it should be louder.
Last night I took the fairing off and decided to tweak the gains on the amp, this is what I found:
I used a number of different 1Kkz test tones and the results were all over the place here is an example of two of them:
here are the two 1 Khz tones along with the MP3 Gain volume and DMM voltages:
https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/bo...w-links-again/
MP3 gain volume = 98.1
26.0 volts with this one.
https://www.mtx.com/d/mtx/testtones/1kHz.mp3
MP3 Gain volume = 102.1
39.1 volts with this one.
What the???? I'm confused in which one to use. I can say using the first one above, at 70+ MPH leaves a bit to be desired from my system, I wouldn't be very happy with it!
Here is the background:
I installed a JL MHX280/4 and some Arc Moto 602 speakers in my 2017 Road Glide. I wasn't very happy with the volume, especially at 70+ MPH, I thought it should be louder.
Last night I took the fairing off and decided to tweak the gains on the amp, this is what I found:
I used a number of different 1Kkz test tones and the results were all over the place here is an example of two of them:
here are the two 1 Khz tones along with the MP3 Gain volume and DMM voltages:
https://www.stevemeadedesigns.com/bo...w-links-again/
MP3 gain volume = 98.1
26.0 volts with this one.
https://www.mtx.com/d/mtx/testtones/1kHz.mp3
MP3 Gain volume = 102.1
39.1 volts with this one.
What the???? I'm confused in which one to use. I can say using the first one above, at 70+ MPH leaves a bit to be desired from my system, I wouldn't be very happy with it!
Road Warrior
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MHX280/4
4-Channel Class D Full-Range Marine Amplifier, 70 W x 4 @ 2 Ω / 50 W x 4 @ 4 Ω - 14.4V
look at the Sticky "Setting Applifier Gain for Vac setting:
2 ohm speakers: ~ 11.5 - 11.8v
4 ohm speakers: ~ 14.1v
Moto 602's are 4 ohm
So not sure how you got the 26v and 39v dialed in with the amp you got but IMO there is no way you can get there.
Moto's need a way stronger Amp and to be honest 50W per channel is not going to cut it for 70+ Mph
the MP3 Db level only will impact the dial in, nothing else (with same gain setting the 102.x file will distort on a lower volume setting on the HU than the 98.x one.
Others will chime in here...
4-Channel Class D Full-Range Marine Amplifier, 70 W x 4 @ 2 Ω / 50 W x 4 @ 4 Ω - 14.4V
look at the Sticky "Setting Applifier Gain for Vac setting:
2 ohm speakers: ~ 11.5 - 11.8v
4 ohm speakers: ~ 14.1v
Moto 602's are 4 ohm
So not sure how you got the 26v and 39v dialed in with the amp you got but IMO there is no way you can get there.
Moto's need a way stronger Amp and to be honest 50W per channel is not going to cut it for 70+ Mph
the MP3 Db level only will impact the dial in, nothing else (with same gain setting the 102.x file will distort on a lower volume setting on the HU than the 98.x one.
Others will chime in here...
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MHX280/4
4-Channel Class D Full-Range Marine Amplifier, 70 W x 4 @ 2 Ω / 50 W x 4 @ 4 Ω - 14.4V
look at the Sticky "Setting Applifier Gain for Vac setting:
2 ohm speakers: ~ 11.5 - 11.8v
4 ohm speakers: ~ 14.1v
Moto 602's are 4 ohm
So not sure how you got the 26v and 39v dialed in with the amp you got but IMO there is no way you can get there.
Moto's need a way stronger Amp and to be honest 50W per channel is not going to cut it for 70+ Mph
the MP3 Db level only will impact the dial in, nothing else (with same gain setting the 102.x file will distort on a lower volume setting on the HU than the 98.x one.
Others will chime in here...
4-Channel Class D Full-Range Marine Amplifier, 70 W x 4 @ 2 Ω / 50 W x 4 @ 4 Ω - 14.4V
look at the Sticky "Setting Applifier Gain for Vac setting:
2 ohm speakers: ~ 11.5 - 11.8v
4 ohm speakers: ~ 14.1v
Moto 602's are 4 ohm
So not sure how you got the 26v and 39v dialed in with the amp you got but IMO there is no way you can get there.
Moto's need a way stronger Amp and to be honest 50W per channel is not going to cut it for 70+ Mph
the MP3 Db level only will impact the dial in, nothing else (with same gain setting the 102.x file will distort on a lower volume setting on the HU than the 98.x one.
Others will chime in here...
The JL MHX280/4 will easily push 150+ watts per channel when bridged.
Road Warrior
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From: Las Vegas
ok - no experience with this amp but when (if possible) you ddm it to 39Vac with the MTX test tone, I am 100% sure there is something wrong with the mp3 or something else - that 350+W!!!
without having the amp on my bench I cannot tell you where the amp starts distorting (on the scope).
without having the amp on my bench I cannot tell you where the amp starts distorting (on the scope).
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The lower the db your test tone without adjusting the input sensitivity, the less output from the amp, as less output voltage is produced from the source unit. So -5db test tone puts your amp gains up a bit higher to accommodate other music sources that produce a lower output such as satellite radio. Running mp3 gain for music at 93 imo tends to reduce the volume of the music a bit much. 96 db is a happy medium. Run a -5db tone, music at 96 and be done. You clipped that amp so bad had it had a load on it a fuse would have blown. Keep in mind set the test tone on your primary listening source. I never use cd on my bike so usb is my primary source. I use satellite radio so run a -5db tone. If you do not listen to other sources then run the 0db.
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The lower the db your test tone without adjusting the input sensitivity, the less output from the amp, as less output voltage is produced from the source unit. So -5db test tone puts your amp gains up a bit higher to accommodate other music sources that produce a lower output such as satellite radio. Running mp3 gain for music at 93 imo tends to reduce the volume of the music a bit much. 96 db is a happy medium. Run a -5db tone, music at 96 and be done. You clipped that amp so bad had it had a load on it a fuse would have blown. Keep in mind set the test tone on your primary listening source. I never use cd on my bike so usb is my primary source. I use satellite radio so run a -5db tone. If you do not listen to other sources then run the 0db.
OK, with this test tone (the 1000 Hz -5 Db from your Sticky) http://www.mediafire.com/file/o7x85a...rta/1000Hz.zip I am running 26 volts.
I don't know why this test tone (1000 Hz -0 Db) https://www.mtx.com/d/mtx/testtones/1kHz.mp3 jumps up to 39.1 volts but it does.
To throw a little wrinkle into the mix, I called Biketronics, they now make two different BT 355 Line Levelers, they are sending me one for the Boom! 4.3 HU. Mike said that it will make a dramatic difference and that I will definitely be able to tell.
So as it stands, I'm waiting for the new BT 355 before doing anything else!
Slyedog, if i use the 1000 Hz -5 Db Test Tone from your sticky, I should be ok, right? Many people have told me 26 volts for the JL MHX280/4 is in the playing field (up from theie 23.7 recommendation).
More thoughts on this would be appreciated.
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SlyeDog,
OK, with this test tone (the 1000 Hz -5 Db from your Sticky) http://www.mediafire.com/file/o7x85a...rta/1000Hz.zip I am running 26 volts.
I don't know why this test tone (1000 Hz -0 Db) https://www.mtx.com/d/mtx/testtones/1kHz.mp3 jumps up to 39.1 volts but it does.
To throw a little wrinkle into the mix, I called Biketronics, they now make two different BT 355 Line Levelers, they are sending me one for the Boom! 4.3 HU. Mike said that it will make a dramatic difference and that I will definitely be able to tell.
So as it stands, I'm waiting for the new BT 355 before doing anything else!
Slyedog, if i use the 1000 Hz -5 Db Test Tone from your sticky, I should be ok, right? Many people have told me 26 volts for the JL MHX280/4 is in the playing field (up from theie 23.7 recommendation).
More thoughts on this would be appreciated.
OK, with this test tone (the 1000 Hz -5 Db from your Sticky) http://www.mediafire.com/file/o7x85a...rta/1000Hz.zip I am running 26 volts.
I don't know why this test tone (1000 Hz -0 Db) https://www.mtx.com/d/mtx/testtones/1kHz.mp3 jumps up to 39.1 volts but it does.
To throw a little wrinkle into the mix, I called Biketronics, they now make two different BT 355 Line Levelers, they are sending me one for the Boom! 4.3 HU. Mike said that it will make a dramatic difference and that I will definitely be able to tell.
So as it stands, I'm waiting for the new BT 355 before doing anything else!
Slyedog, if i use the 1000 Hz -5 Db Test Tone from your sticky, I should be ok, right? Many people have told me 26 volts for the JL MHX280/4 is in the playing field (up from theie 23.7 recommendation).
More thoughts on this would be appreciated.
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