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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by c_l_phillips72
I would love to have to opportunity to learn how to do that kind of stuff by myself. I thought about asking the shop to do an install on other suggested products just so I could learn the process, but I assumed their insurance would prevent me from entering their shop.

I’ve installed HU, EQ’s, and speakers in my old cars years ago, but it seems like things have gotten a lot more complicated. I wouldn’t have the first clue on how to install a LOC.
If that is the case you already have all the knowledge you need to do this upgrade yourself regardless of the brand of equipment used. The Line Output Converter just plugs into the speaker wire plugs of your head unit then the output of the LOC plugs into the RCA patch cables going to the input of the amp. You probably remember the 12v "power antenna" wire from head units in years past that would turn on EQs and amps. Most good LOCs these days have that 12v turn on lead that you could run to your amp (I think those LOCs have an individual 12v and ground lead for that function).

You then just run the black and red wires from your battery (fuse on the red positive close to the battery) in the wiring tray under the tank up to the inside of your fairing. For most budget amps these two wires would be 8 gauge Oxygen Free Copper (don't even touch CCA or Copper Coated Aluminum wire). You then mount the amp in the tray and connect the red and black power wires along with the turn on lead from your LOC. Then you run new 14 gauge copper speaker wires from the output of your amp to the speakers. Make sure everything is tied down and secure and you are done with the hardware installation.

I realize I may have missed something needed for the newer bikes since I don't have one, but the process I have described is the bulk of it. Then you can just follow the sticky to set your gains and you are done. Don't be scared to keep asking questions. The more info you gather the more confidence you will build.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by travelingypsye
I will bet that you dont have your hu flashed and running thru a bt 355 line leveler.
RF Flash, RF wiring kit that plugs into the back of the radio, stock wiring. I don't like the BT Line Leveler, flash works much better. Good guess though, lots of people do that. The Mmats aren't as full as the Boom Stage 1 or the Kappa's I have had on before. They are all tuned the same, I just don't get the full sound from the Mmats. They are loud and clear though.

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I will admit that the RF tms690's arent a bad speaker either but again tuning is everything. LOL
As long as you keep the gain around 12 o'clock they are great speakers. If you set it correctly it will smoke the tweeters. Good thing RF just sends out new ones.

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I can also tell you that I have run 20+ sets of different speakers in my current bike just to learn so I can save others from doing and buying the wrong stuff. I am no expert by any means but I can tell you what speakers sound better than the RF setup from personal experience. Its a hobby for me. Not a cheap one but legal and better than booze or drugs. LOL
No doubt. The OP was looking for simple, the RF install kit is just that and with the TMS400x4 has upgrade capability and plenty or power to make decent sound. The hardest part of the install is that one bolt on the pod that is really hard to get to. The OP would have to run the amp cables, that is about the most technical part of the install with the kit. I don't know about the quality of the pod speakers from RF but if they sound anything like the 6x9s they will sound good, I would just worry about blowing them as the amp seems to overpower the speakers they are designed for. I am actually in the market for a good 6.5 that has a fuller sound than the Mmats and also fit in the Pods. I may go back to the Boom Stage 1 until they pop then get something else. I was running the stock speakers on a PBR300x2 for a year and they never had any issues so not a bad speaker.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 03:40 PM
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This is a fairly blanket opinion. FWIW folks here give advice on what works versus overpriced kits that fail on performance. Some really aren't looking for a huge upgrade and are satisfied with the kits, the cost, and what they perceive as an easy install. The general populous that comes here with questions are looking for the best bang for their buck and that's what the fine folks here try to help them with through trials of their own of knowing what works and what doesn't. And if you're losing 50% of your volume at highway speeds, then you did it wrong as well.
I know for sure 100% that you are always going to respond to MY posts. You never let me down.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jester0618
Your statement of mmats sounding worse than boom shows that the tune or install was not right. No way a 2ohm boom 1 will sound better. That aside, I have since removed my mmats for the gz yellow baskets. Not night and day difference, but def more depth and potential.
Those are on my short list for replacements. The Boom Stage 1 speakers amped up aren't that bad. They use the same neodymium magnets that RF uses. I would imagine if I ran the same wattage through them as the Mmats they would not last too long. Full vs Loud is what I am comparing. The Mmats just have zero low range and I have set to 80Hz and didn't get any more than I did at 100.Hz. End of the day, I am not going to hear bass on the freeway anyway so loud works for my application and without earplugs the Mmats are loud at way above the legal speed limit. With earplugs and full face I an still hear them at 90mph..
 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 03:48 PM
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Then, sorry, you did something wrong if you actually believe that. I had NO trouble hearing my mmats setup at any speed. Yes you loss bass above about 50, but you still hear the speakers. But they were full and had very good bass and EQ.

My new setup is all up front and I dont even have to turn my volume past 3 to hear it at 80.

I get it. Some ppl have this conception that aftermarket audio is something above their capabilities. I was in that boat as well. First setup I paid to have done. The difference in how its installed is RF makes a harness for you. Otherwise, you buy a kit with power and ground wires for your amp, and use a LOC to convert your speaker level to RCA.

As bates said, we only give the options of better equipment to try to help save ppl money. In the end, what they want is all that matters. But I think the guys here that know, will always offer something other than overpriced "kits" every single time it comes up.
I get what you are trying to do and going by the advice on this forum I ended up spending MORE money chasing the "simple' solution. You have your opinion and I have mine, that is what the OP is asking for.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasMotorcycleRider
RF Flash, RF wiring kit that plugs into the back of the radio, stock wiring. I don't like the BT Line Leveler, flash works much better. Good guess though, lots of people do that. The Mmats aren't as full as the Boom Stage 1 or the Kappa's I have had on before. They are all tuned the same, I just don't get the full sound from the Mmats. They are loud and clear though.

As long as you keep the gain around 12 o'clock they are great speakers. If you set it correctly it will smoke the tweeters. Good thing RF just sends out new ones.

No doubt. The OP was looking for simple, the RF install kit is just that and with the TMS400x4 has upgrade capability and plenty or power to make decent sound. The hardest part of the install is that one bolt on the pod that is really hard to get to. The OP would have to run the amp cables, that is about the most technical part of the install with the kit. I don't know about the quality of the pod speakers from RF but if they sound anything like the 6x9s they will sound good, I would just worry about blowing them as the amp seems to overpower the speakers they are designed for. I am actually in the market for a good 6.5 that has a fuller sound than the Mmats and also fit in the Pods. I may go back to the Boom Stage 1 until they pop then get something else. I was running the stock speakers on a PBR300x2 for a year and they never had any issues so not a bad speaker.
Well then I misunderstood his asking. I thought he was asking for an alternative to the RF kit. I ran a tm400 for over a yr and can say it is a good amp just over priced for what you get. I understand that he has no experience and would feel better just having it done. I just hate to see another person get raked over the coals for a mediocre system. I will also say that something is not right with your setup if stock boom sounds better than the mmats. Then again we all hear and like different sound.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasMotorcycleRider
I get what you are trying to do and going by the advice on this forum I ended up spending MORE money chasing the "simple' solution. You have your opinion and I have mine, that is what the OP is asking for.
Again, he asked if there were better options.so he was given better options. In the end every one that comes here has to make up their own minds.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasMotorcycleRider
With earplugs and full face I an still hear them at 90mph..
Holy crap, is this true? I was hoping to hear up to 55 with a half helmet.

 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TexasMotorcycleRider
I know for sure 100% that you are always going to respond to MY posts. You never let me down.
You must've changed your screen name because I've never responded to TexasMotorcycleRider. But now that I've had a closer look, the response you gave earlier makes perfect sense. Still clueless I see.
 
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by c_l_phillips72
Holy crap, is this true? I was hoping to hear up to 55 with a half helmet.
With a decent amp and the right speakers, you should easily be hearing your system at 80 mph plus, with a half helmet. I have no issues hearing my system at 80 mph, over wind noise, the sound of my pipes, the clatter of my high lift cams, or my wife, lol! There is a reason lots of guys are running Mmats coax at 125-150 watts, or the Ground Zero coax at 200 plus watts, because they get the job done, for less than the price of Rockford, which unfortunately fell short of our expectations.
That's why the majority of the guys have moved away from the plug and play systems, they just don't compare volume wise or sound quality wise. Sure they are easy to install, even easier to uninstall at upgrade time.
Most of us have been there done that, so to speak, that's why we try to help save others that expensive step in the learning curve. Once you get the opportunity to hear a decent system, you will have a much different view of what you might want.
Where you at? Maybe some of the other members are closer than you think,
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