Title for frame but nothing else
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Title for frame but nothing else
I'm posting this here under customs because I dont know where else to put it.
If I have a title for a 77 HD soft tail frame, or any bike for that matter, that I bought from someone out of state can I title it in my own name with completely new guts without any problem. Is there something I should be aware of? Seems easy enough but I dont want any problems at DMV.
I know different states have different laws when it comes to this but any info on this would help. Personally, I live in NY.
If I have a title for a 77 HD soft tail frame, or any bike for that matter, that I bought from someone out of state can I title it in my own name with completely new guts without any problem. Is there something I should be aware of? Seems easy enough but I dont want any problems at DMV.
I know different states have different laws when it comes to this but any info on this would help. Personally, I live in NY.
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RE: Title for frame but nothing else
Coupla things, here. First, HD didn't make a Softail in 1977. I'm s'posin' you mean a swingarm frame, which was the only type of frame they have made since the first Duo-Glide in the late '50s. A bike is generally titled by the frame VIN, no matter what state you're in. Exception would be for an older bike that had no frame number; then it'll be titled by the engine number. So, yes you should be able to title the bike by the frame VIN. But, any other part that goes on the bike will probably need a paper trail, as in receipts. And the engine will definitely need good numbers/receipts 'cause there are some law-dogs who still think the engine and frame numbers must match. When I built my first bike it was titled as a Corbin Gentry XLCH 'cause of the frame, but the engine was an HD XLCH, with HD numbers. I carried the old title for the engine with my registration. Had to show it numerous times, and usually had a hassle explaining all the details. Find out what your state requires, get it in writing, and memorize the most important details. Then build the bike and hash it out with the Motor Vehicle beaurecrats.
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BigJ, not to dispute what pococj said but starting in 1970 HD started stamping frame numbers which matched the engine number. Should look something like.... 1A 10000 HO.....1A (model), 10000 (sequential production number), H (manufactured by Harley), 0 (year. 0 =70 1=71, 2=72). In Santa Clara County, Kalif, you can only get a blue tag as a special construction on a 70 and later bike if the frame and motor do not match.
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Thanks for the posts guys. I guess my question is: if I title the frame like its an existing bike how would DMV know (outside of the inspection)? If I put a new motor on it, and had the paper for the motor, would anyone really care. That is, once I get it through inspection.
To be honest I dont have an engine or a frame yet (I just threw a number in there), Im trying to figure out the best way to build a bike on my own with the least amount of problems from DMV
To be honest I dont have an engine or a frame yet (I just threw a number in there), Im trying to figure out the best way to build a bike on my own with the least amount of problems from DMV
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ORIGINAL: panz4ever
BigJ, not to dispute what pococj said but starting in 1970 HD started stamping frame numbers which matched the engine number. Should look something like.... 1A 10000 HO.....1A (model), 10000 (sequential production number), H (manufactured by Harley), 0 (year. 0 =70 1=71, 2=72). In Santa Clara County, Kalif, you can only get a blue tag as a special construction on a 70 and later bike if the frame and motor do not match.
BigJ, not to dispute what pococj said but starting in 1970 HD started stamping frame numbers which matched the engine number. Should look something like.... 1A 10000 HO.....1A (model), 10000 (sequential production number), H (manufactured by Harley), 0 (year. 0 =70 1=71, 2=72). In Santa Clara County, Kalif, you can only get a blue tag as a special construction on a 70 and later bike if the frame and motor do not match.
That's why you need to check with your local office and see what they are going to require. You do not want any surprises!
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RE: Title for frame but nothing else
ORIGINAL: Big J...If I have a title for a 77 HD soft tail frame, or any bike for that matter, that I bought from someone out of state can I title it in my own name with completely new guts without any problem. Is there something I should be aware of? Seems easy enough but I don't want any problems at DMV...
I'm rebuilding a 76 Jeep CJ5...It has all new sheet metal on it and a Mustang 5.0 going in later this year. I've got the title (in my name) and the original VIN body plates. So when it comes time to get a license, all I should have to do is get some insurance and pick up my tags. Although....To be 'perfectly legal' in accordance with the Motor Vehicle Code...I should get an assembler's title for it.
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