Temps 320+ and tuning not helping...
Tourer
Joined: May 2012
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From: Beaverton, OR
I hope not. I am wondering if a simple timing adjustment can fix the issue. It seems that the temp rise is more-or-less steady and constant, unless it's on the freeway. To me, it sounds like something that is throughout the entire tune. Maybe just having the timing too advanced is causing a steady heat build. At low or high RPM it rises. Could it be the Amsoil or possibly my oil cooler malfunctioning? Possibly the heavier trans oil?
I want to get my stock tune and compare it to the 2404 and other tunes I've been using. I just can't get to it. It's saved as an ".stk" file. I loaded your tune to see what, if any, difference it makes on my scoot. This afternoon will determine any effect.
I want to get my stock tune and compare it to the 2404 and other tunes I've been using. I just can't get to it. It's saved as an ".stk" file. I loaded your tune to see what, if any, difference it makes on my scoot. This afternoon will determine any effect.
Best of luck with the tune. You may want to look at your enrichment table as well.
My cooler is whatever is that sh***y stock one that HD puts on.
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From: Hawkeye state
There is no stock oil cooler. IF you have a hd one it wasnt a stock one. Right now your temps are normal. Ride it and see how they do. The more you mess with your calibration without logging data to justify the changes is going to make more problems arise. If your cruising temp get up close to 300 you have problems. If they are under 270 that's normal.
Once I slow and start to idle Ill get up 280-290 after sitting for a few min. Then they go up from there if not moving. I personally think you are creating a problem now as I believe losing the wrap will get you back to where you want to be.
Once I slow and start to idle Ill get up 280-290 after sitting for a few min. Then they go up from there if not moving. I personally think you are creating a problem now as I believe losing the wrap will get you back to where you want to be.
There is no stock oil cooler. IF you have a hd one it wasnt a stock one. Right now your temps are normal. Ride it and see how they do. The more you mess with your calibration without logging data to justify the changes is going to make more problems arise. If your cruising temp get up close to 300 you have problems. If they are under 270 that's normal.
Once I slow and start to idle Ill get up 280-290 after sitting for a few min. Then they go up from there if not moving. I personally think you are creating a problem now as I believe losing the wrap will get you back to where you want to be.
Once I slow and start to idle Ill get up 280-290 after sitting for a few min. Then they go up from there if not moving. I personally think you are creating a problem now as I believe losing the wrap will get you back to where you want to be.
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From: Hawkeye state
You ditched the header wrap. Your temps went down. Ride a few days. See how it goes. Timing is unrelated to temp. If you are pinging back off a few degrees. If your data log shows retarding at a certain kpa and rpm back those off 2°. My point is don't retard timing because temps were high as that is not the solution and it appears the problem may be solved. Now if you are losing power and or feel the bike bucking when cruising that's a whole different animal.
So.... just for S&G's I decided to check my engine oil. I found it was just a tad over the "DO NOT OVERFILL" line. Checked the temp on the PV at 106. Cold oil and just overfilled. Well, I guess it's pretty overfilled since it was past the hot mark when it was cold. So, my experience with overfilled oil that hasn't had a chance to burn down is either a blown seal or gasket or heat. This is with four-wheeled vehicles though. I imagine the same is with HD's. It doesn't have a chance to flow the engine properly. Am I right here? Did I make a rookie mistake causing my heat issue?
Update
Just as an update, I removed enough oil to get to the cold, halfway mark. This morning's ride to work was quick off the get-go. I was able to come in a little later and thus no traffic. At least until I exited the freeway. There was an accident right at the gate. How does one flip a minivan within a couple of hundred feet of a gate, in a 15mph zone? Anyways, when I get home later I'll post a pic of it from my GoPro.
So yeah, she stayed around 250ish for most of the ride. However, once I was in the traffic I hit 356! Granted there was a portion that I was sitting for about 5 minutes at a light. I eventually pulled over and shut down. I was a little nervous. Once I got back to moving, on base, and in the span of about 8 minutes or so she cooled down to 279.
So, maybe she just runs hot in traffic now? Maybe it's been this way all of the time and I'm just noticing it? I might swap the Amsoil for Red Line this weekend, maybe today, and see what it does...
So yeah, she stayed around 250ish for most of the ride. However, once I was in the traffic I hit 356! Granted there was a portion that I was sitting for about 5 minutes at a light. I eventually pulled over and shut down. I was a little nervous. Once I got back to moving, on base, and in the span of about 8 minutes or so she cooled down to 279.
So, maybe she just runs hot in traffic now? Maybe it's been this way all of the time and I'm just noticing it? I might swap the Amsoil for Red Line this weekend, maybe today, and see what it does...
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From: Hawkeye state
Normal. So removing the wrap dropped 20+ deg.
If you didn't have a power vision right in front of you would you have known? No. Enable your eitms for reassurance and look into colling fans if you are going to be stuck in heavy traffic or shut it off till time to move again. Nothing you are dealing with is abnormal. Changing brand oil is pointless for this issue. There is no issue with the bike but how you manage it while riding. This is what I was trying to say earlier. . It's good that you are paying attention . Personally I would richen the 0 kpa column by 10% up to 1750rpm and see if they drop any.
So yeah, she stayed around 250ish for most of the ride. However, once I was in the traffic I hit 356! Granted there was a portion that I was sitting for about 5 minutes at a light. I eventually pulled over and shut down. I was a little nervous. Once I got back to moving, on base, and in the span of about 8 minutes or so she cooled down to 279.
So, maybe she just runs hot in traffic now? Maybe it's been this way all of the time and I'm just noticing it? I might swap the Amsoil for Red Line this weekend, maybe today, and see what it does...
So, maybe she just runs hot in traffic now? Maybe it's been this way all of the time and I'm just noticing it? I might swap the Amsoil for Red Line this weekend, maybe today, and see what it does...
Normal. So removing the wrap dropped 20+ deg.
If you didn't have a power vision right in front of you would you have known? No. Enable your eitms for reassurance and look into colling fans if you are going to be stuck in heavy traffic or shut it off till time to move again. Nothing you are dealing with is abnormal. Changing brand oil is pointless for this issue. There is no issue with the bike but how you manage it while riding. This is what I was trying to say earlier. . It's good that you are paying attention . Personally I would richen the 0 kpa column by 10% up to 1750rpm and see if they drop any.
If you didn't have a power vision right in front of you would you have known? No. Enable your eitms for reassurance and look into colling fans if you are going to be stuck in heavy traffic or shut it off till time to move again. Nothing you are dealing with is abnormal. Changing brand oil is pointless for this issue. There is no issue with the bike but how you manage it while riding. This is what I was trying to say earlier. . It's good that you are paying attention . Personally I would richen the 0 kpa column by 10% up to 1750rpm and see if they drop any.