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I have a 2010 FXDWG that I am wanting to change out the rear turn signal housings and support arms from the standard OEM chrome units over to a set of the black assemblies like the ones that come on the newer "S" models. I looked all through the Electrical/Lighting Forum and came up with nothing that pertains to this. So before I start tearing things apart, are the two systems compatible to do a straight swap or would sending out the OEM chrome assemblies for powdercoat be the best way to proceed? I know just enough about electrical work to know that I should usually just leave it alone. Thanks.
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I have a 2010 FXDWG that I am wanting to change out the rear turn signal housings and support arms from the standard OEM chrome units over to a set of the black assemblies like the ones that come on the newer "S" models. I looked all through the Electrical/Lighting Forum and came up with nothing that pertains to this. So before I start tearing things apart, are the two systems compatible to do a straight swap or would sending out the OEM chrome assemblies for powdercoat be the best way to proceed? I know just enough about electrical work to know that I should usually just leave it alone. Thanks.
I think the 2010 WG is about the same configuration as the current model?
If it is, and you want to keep everything in the same location, I would disassemble and powder coat. I believe the WG is the same as my stock FXDB in terms of the Run / Brake / Turn bullets and harness, so it just going to be a matter of removing the seat, undoing the harnesses under there, and pulling the lights off the fender struts. Once you have them off, you will need to de-pin the harnesses to get the electoral housing out of the metal bullets. Honestly, de-pinning is a breeze. Seriously, it can be done in a matter seconds. I would suggest snapping a picture of the wire positions in the plastic housing before de-pinning.
Your other option is to by the FXDLS housings, but that will probably still require de-pinning... I don't think they sell the rear lights fully assembled.
Here's a video on de-pinning. A different light setup, but the connector styles are the same as what you have. If you already know how to do this, then sorry for the overload of useless information.
Will have to depin in any case. It's really easy once you get the concept down. Just to note that the LR-S sigs use two different length stalks/standoffs to accommodate the license plate bracket on the left side. If you are using a similar setup, then the same parts will work. Otherwise just order two of the same standoffs - the left side is about 1/3" shorter then the right standoff. They are completely interchangeable.
OTOH, they aren't cheap, so it will in all likelihood be cheaper to remove yours, disassemble (just depin and pull out the reflectors/wires) and have them PC'd.
Either way, pretty easy. And the above video is a good way to learn to depin. Here is a diagram of exactly what's happening in the connector - your basically just lifting up the retaining tang with a small jewelers type flat screwdriver and pulling out the wire/terminal.
I think the 2010 WG is about the same configuration as the current model?
If it is, and you want to keep everything in the same location, I would disassemble and powder coat. I believe the WG is the same as my stock FXDB in terms of the Run / Brake / Turn bullets and harness, so it just going to be a matter of removing the seat, undoing the harnesses under there, and pulling the lights off the fender struts. Once you have them off, you will need to de-pin the harnesses to get the electoral housing out of the metal bullets. Honestly, de-pinning is a breeze. Seriously, it can be done in a matter seconds. I would suggest snapping a picture of the wire positions in the plastic housing before de-pinning.
Your other option is to by the FXDLS housings, but that will probably still require de-pinning... I don't think they sell the rear lights fully assembled.
Here's a video on de-pinning. A different light setup, but the connector styles are the same as what you have. If you already know how to do this, then sorry for the overload of useless information.
The MoCo does sell the lights as a completed assembly so I guess my real question should have been "Does anybody know if the harness connectors on the rear turn/brake signals are different on the new "S" models compared to the stock ones that came on my 2010 FXDWG?" It would be absolutely great if this would be a simple swap-over but that's never been my luck when it comes to changing something out that should be so easy to do.
A couple weeks ago, I was able to look up the parts on the FXDLS, but St. Charles HD and Ronnies changed their parts finder search functions. So I basically looked up a 2010 WG, and compared the parts to the 2016 FXDB to see what the differences were. The 2016 FXDB, and FXDLS are exactly the same when looking at the rear lighting and fender, except, as you already know, the DLS is black hardware.
It seems your rear turn signals are the same as the FXDB (68461-09), but there is a 1-3 harness that is used on the FXDB part number 69200424A that ties the two signals, and the license plate lighting into the main harness, and I don't see that on the 2010 WG.
I also noticed that the drawings, and part numbers for your turn signal standoffs are different than the FXDB. Yours (2010 WG) seem to be equal length, where the DB has a longer standoff on the right side, and a shorter one to accommodate the side mount license plate frame. Oddly, you have a different part number side mount frame than the DB has.
Even if you ordered a complete lighting solution from HD in black, you will still need to de-pin the connectors in order to get the harnesses through the standoffs.
If I could find a source to look up FXDLS part numbers, I'd put the list together for you, but I can't find a site that has it.
Basically, you would need the black bullets, and the 1-3 split harness (69200424A) at the very minimum. If your signal standoffs are the same length, you can probably order these from Ebay.
I have been looking over all the schematics in the Service Manuals and the online microfiche exploded diagrams for a couple of days to see if I could differentiate between the two systems and then put two and two together, as they say, but after a while you tend to get a little cross-eyed, at least I do anyways. I think that my safest bet is going to be to just dismantle what I have and send them off to the Powder Coaters. No guesswork involved with that! Thanks for all the help.
I have been looking over all the schematics in the Service Manuals and the online microfiche exploded diagrams for a couple of days to see if I could differentiate between the two systems and then put two and two together, as they say, but after a while you tend to get a little cross-eyed, at least I do anyways. I think that my safest bet is going to be to just dismantle what I have and send them off to the Powder Coaters. No guesswork involved with that! Thanks for all the help.
Yeah, I started getting the same way switch back to different models. It would probably be one of those things that you think you get all the proper parts and research, but something goes wrong.
Yeah, I started getting the same way switch back to different models. It would probably be one of those things that you think you get all the proper parts and research, but something goes wrong.
Good luck, and be sure to post up the outcome.
My last name isn't Murphy but it probably should be because if anything can or would go wrong it'll go wrong when I try it!
The MoCo does sell the lights as a completed assembly so I guess my real question should have been "Does anybody know if the harness connectors on the rear turn/brake signals are different on the new "S" models compared to the stock ones that came on my 2010 FXDWG?" It would be absolutely great if this would be a simple swap-over but that's never been my luck when it comes to changing something out that should be so easy to do.
They generally dont change that stuff. The bikes really dont differ that much. Same part being used over and over reduces the cost of production via economies of scale.
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Changing rear turn signals
