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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by bwoltz
If you pushed a bunch of that flake through the fuel pump, you might want to think about replacing it too.
I'll be running clean fuel through the pump and watching the output to make sure it's clean.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Nickd2689
Good luck. You're not "f-n retard" it's easy to over look these things. The part that bothers me is that you said you didn't have spark, which will be a completely separate issue. Check your injectors like you said, but there's a good chance the filter stopped the flake before it reached the injectors. The screen on the pump will need to be replaced and possibly the pump as well. If you continue to lack spark, test power/ground to the coil, if none, were right back to the crank/cam sensor. One handles fuel, the other spark. Good luck.
Yeah, I'm still kinda thrown off by the no spark thing too. I didn't do anything before I had a problem that would warrant a spark issue so at the moment I'm hoping the lack of spark is plug not grounding when out and trying and maybe I'm not cranking long enough when testing to get past the spark delay from the electronic pressure reliefs. There is a delay, which is why I always have the whomp whomp whomp for a few to several revolutions before it fires. Sometimes it seems to take a breath longer than other times, so in my haste and frustration maybe I wasn't holding the start switch long enough.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 11:14 AM
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I know this is probably WAY out in left field, but since he did mention a temporary loss of spark, maybe while he had the tank off some of the electrical connectors got tugged on. He might want to pull them apart to double check them (and put some anti-oxidizer in there) then pop them back together and see what happens. Just a thought.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 11:18 AM
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I could be wrong, but I don't believe any electrical connectors related to the ignition system run under there. If they weren't properly grounded while out like he mentioned, then that would make sense. As far as the fuel pump, yes definitely check pressure, but also inspect the pump. There should be a filter element at the bottom, which could be clogged. Not sure if the fuel filter is down stream or up stream to your pump, but if flake made its way to the filter, it's more than likely in the pump.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickd2689
I could be wrong, but I don't believe any electrical connectors related to the ignition system run under there. If they weren't properly grounded while out like he mentioned, then that would make sense. As far as the fuel pump, yes definitely check pressure, but also inspect the pump. There should be a filter element at the bottom, which could be clogged. Not sure if the fuel filter is down stream or up stream to your pump, but if flake made its way to the filter, it's more than likely in the pump.
You are correct, wiring runs through the backbone of the bike of which none was unplugged and nothing to do with more than speedo, ignition switch related wiring is relevant to the tank. I braced the console up while tank was gone to paint and it was never unplugged, except from plate on top of tank. Fuel pump has no issues turning on, so pretty doubtful tank swap had any bearing on anything to do with coil/firingas any other wiring is nowhere around tank area. It all runs from ECM housing to under seat and outward to intended part. I am replacing the pump sock (filter at the bottom before going into pump) as well as the inline filter and the pressure regulator. I got word that the regulator should not spray fuel at any point. I should have no loose spraying fuel within the tank. Was told very adamantly that replacing the pressure regulator will stop the spray and cure all my woes. Even after explaining the whole paint mess. We'll see. Either way I will be performing all previous noted tasks to ensure I have the fuel issue licked. With ANY luck (which mine seems to be running on empty right now) it's fuel only issue and this will solve it. I've already missed 5 gorgeous riding days in the past 2 weeks between paint and this crapolla
 
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 01:48 PM
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Well good luck and keep us updated.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Nickd2689
Good luck. You're not "f-n retard" it's easy to over look these things. The part that bothers me is that you said you didn't have spark, which will be a completely separate issue. Check your injectors like you said, but there's a good chance the filter stopped the flake before it reached the injectors. The screen on the pump will need to be replaced and possibly the pump as well. If you continue to lack spark, test power/ground to the coil, if none, were right back to the crank/cam sensor. One handles fuel, the other spark. Good luck.
If'n he pulls the rear plug for any reason and leaves it out, no compression rear cylinder, ECU won't make a spark.
 
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Old Feb 8, 2017 | 06:01 PM
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If'n he pulls the rear plug for any reason and leaves it out, no compression rear cylinder, ECU won't make a spark.

thats news to me. I've never tried it but I thought you could remove the plug to test spark. Guess he's gonna have to get a spark tester. I thought he already stated he did it once and had spark though.
 
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Originally Posted by Nickd2689
thats news to me. I've never tried it but I thought you could remove the plug to test spark. Guess he's gonna have to get a spark tester. I thought he already stated he did it once and had spark though.
All Delphi system HD bikes are that way.. Try it sometimes.. You hold your thumb over the rear plug hole to see the motor make the spark.. The ECM uses crank slowing on compression to ID which cylinder is coming up on the compression stroke..
 
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Old Feb 9, 2017 | 07:15 PM
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Well gents, road dogs, scally wags and or fine people; I want to thank each and every one of you that offered tips and advice. I have lit a match and dropped it in the gas tank and am watching the bitch burn.
HA. I'm thrilled beyond words. Bitch is fixed and running for the time being at least and hopefully for good.
So what was the problem, you might ask. Ok so I found the pressure regulator spraying fuel in the tank. Was advised it shouldn't do that and the filter was terribly clogged. Cleaned inside of tank real good again. Replaced regulator, fuel pump sock and filter. Got same result from regulator and of course ***** still wouldn't fire up. Pulled injectors, left hooked up and found no spray. Removed injectors, sprayed with carb cleaner, let sit over night with cleaner in injectors, sitting on work bench. Called Harley and was informed in fact the regulator should spray on initial prime while pump is cycling ready for start. Got home, hooked injectors up and checked for spray. Holy hell they squirted fuel. Reinstalled, cranked her over and vroom f-n vroom it fired up. Put tank all back together, put a gallon of gas with BG 44K fuel treatment in. She started 6 times no issues. Gonna let her sit for couple hours and see if she can manage to repeat the performance. Maybe, just maybe I'll actually get to ride these next couple 70+ degree days.
 
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