front end
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From: From Long Island, now in So. Cal
RE: front end
ORIGINAL: thrillseeker
if you are going to give out information on a web site, then you should be prepared to back it up. I am backing up my statement that the trees in every model except for the VRod, are 0 degree trees. If you take a tree set up from a WG, and put it on any other model, your rake, trail, etc, will not have changed because the are ZERO degree trees.
You can't use the limited information on the HD web site to conclude there is rake in the trees.
ORIGINAL: Cynic
Nobody saidthey wereadjustable!
WS6 was offering an alternative way to lower your Dyna a little by using WG trees and stock length Bob forks. I said H-D raked the trees a few degrees on two of it's Dyna models a tad for lighter, sharper steering on said models than they would have had without the raked trees. All else being equal, raked trees decrease trail, which sharpens steering!
All three trees carry different part#s, with the Wide Glide also being, what else beside more rake, wider.
Why are you being so persistent in denial of the fact after we took the time to explained?
Nobody saidthey wereadjustable!
WS6 was offering an alternative way to lower your Dyna a little by using WG trees and stock length Bob forks. I said H-D raked the trees a few degrees on two of it's Dyna models a tad for lighter, sharper steering on said models than they would have had without the raked trees. All else being equal, raked trees decrease trail, which sharpens steering!
All three trees carry different part#s, with the Wide Glide also being, what else beside more rake, wider.
Why are you being so persistent in denial of the fact after we took the time to explained?
You can't use the limited information on the HD web site to conclude there is rake in the trees.
thrillseeker,
I have to agree with what you wrote above that I highlighted in bold, now go to the site below and read page 48. Then tell me what you think.
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...3/06Master.pdf
Road Warrior
Joined: Dec 2006
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From: MA
RE: front end
certainly not the first time this has been debated in this forum, and I've always been quite interested in the correct answer. Quite frankly - I don't think I've seen conclusive proof one way or the other. Proof to me would be an official HD document, or a picture of removed trees and stem, with a 90deg straightedge square with the bottom tree and touching the top of the stem.
My indy guy said that HD did mess with the tree rake on "later" model FXDWG, but he seemed kind of vague, so to me it was just another opinion.
Not trying to stir the pot here - but I'm still quirte interested in the correct answer.
My indy guy said that HD did mess with the tree rake on "later" model FXDWG, but he seemed kind of vague, so to me it was just another opinion.
Not trying to stir the pot here - but I'm still quirte interested in the correct answer.
Road Captain
Joined: Apr 2007
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RE: front end
Go down to the dealer, go inside, walk over to the parked Dynas, take off your shades, have a looks see. It's also documented in official H-D literature somewhere, but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to remember where!
Road Warrior
Joined: Jul 2006
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From: SW Corner of NW Corner
RE: front end
ORIGINAL: WS6 Formula
thrillseeker,
I have to agree with what you wrote above that I highlighted in bold, now go to the site below and read page 48. Then tell me what you think.
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...3/06Master.pdf
ORIGINAL: thrillseeker
if you are going to give out information on a web site, then you should be prepared to back it up. I am backing up my statement that the trees in every model except for the VRod, are 0 degree trees. If you take a tree set up from a WG, and put it on any other model, your rake, trail, etc, will not have changed because the are ZERO degree trees.
You can't use the limited information on the HD web site to conclude there is rake in the trees.
ORIGINAL: Cynic
Nobody saidthey wereadjustable!
WS6 was offering an alternative way to lower your Dyna a little by using WG trees and stock length Bob forks. I said H-D raked the trees a few degrees on two of it's Dyna models a tad for lighter, sharper steering on said models than they would have had without the raked trees. All else being equal, raked trees decrease trail, which sharpens steering!
All three trees carry different part#s, with the Wide Glide also being, what else beside more rake, wider.
Why are you being so persistent in denial of the fact after we took the time to explained?
Nobody saidthey wereadjustable!
WS6 was offering an alternative way to lower your Dyna a little by using WG trees and stock length Bob forks. I said H-D raked the trees a few degrees on two of it's Dyna models a tad for lighter, sharper steering on said models than they would have had without the raked trees. All else being equal, raked trees decrease trail, which sharpens steering!
All three trees carry different part#s, with the Wide Glide also being, what else beside more rake, wider.
Why are you being so persistent in denial of the fact after we took the time to explained?
You can't use the limited information on the HD web site to conclude there is rake in the trees.
thrillseeker,
I have to agree with what you wrote above that I highlighted in bold, now go to the site below and read page 48. Then tell me what you think.
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/...3/06Master.pdf
I'm still standing by my position for years previous to '06. Do you have some similar reference for previous years?
Thank you for providing something concrete (at least for '06), this does come up somewhat regularly... so, I will need to change my response for the next time.
Glide05 - it appears your indy might have been referring to this change. I'm very interested in the truth as well. There is so much misinformation out on the web (about Harleys and everything else), I think it is important that we all try to be as acurate as possible.
Thanks WS6
Road Warrior
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From: SW Corner of NW Corner
RE: front end
ORIGINAL: Cynic
Go down to the dealer, go inside, walk over to the parked Dynas, take off your shades, have a looks see. It's also documented in official H-D literature somewhere, but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to remember where!
Go down to the dealer, go inside, walk over to the parked Dynas, take off your shades, have a looks see. It's also documented in official H-D literature somewhere, but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to remember where!
Road Captain
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 706
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RE: front end
[blockquote]quote:
ORIGINAL: Cynic
Go down to the dealer, go inside, walk over to the parked Dynas, take off your shades, have a looks see. It's also documented in official H-D literature somewhere, but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to remember where!
[/blockquote]
Another know-it-all punk takes a full face plant in front of his peers
I guess this was backing it up?
How about this?
All you proved is your dim-whit status, dimwit!
ORIGINAL: Cynic
Go down to the dealer, go inside, walk over to the parked Dynas, take off your shades, have a looks see. It's also documented in official H-D literature somewhere, but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to remember where!
[/blockquote]
whatever
I guess this was backing it up?
The only HD model where rake is adjusted in the tree, along with the frame, is the
VRod
VRod
measure the distance from the top of the frame neck to the top of the fork (just below the upper tree)
measure the distace from the bottom of the frame neck to the fork (just above the lower tree)
The distance is going to be the same (in other words, the forks will be parallel to the head stem) .... i.e. the stretch is in the frame, not the trees, and not a combination.
The only HD model where rake is adjusted in the tree, along with the frame, is the VRod
measure the distace from the bottom of the frame neck to the fork (just above the lower tree)
The distance is going to be the same (in other words, the forks will be parallel to the head stem) .... i.e. the stretch is in the frame, not the trees, and not a combination.
The only HD model where rake is adjusted in the tree, along with the frame, is the VRod
Road Warrior
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,302
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From: SW Corner of NW Corner
RE: front end
ORIGINAL: Cynic
[blockquote]quote:
ORIGINAL: Cynic
Go down to the dealer, go inside, walk over to the parked Dynas, take off your shades, have a looks see. It's also documented in official H-D literature somewhere, but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to remember where!
[/blockquote]
Another know-it-all punk takes a full face plant in front of his peers
I guess this was backing it up?
How about this?
All you proved is your dim-whit status, dimwit!
[blockquote]quote:
ORIGINAL: Cynic
Go down to the dealer, go inside, walk over to the parked Dynas, take off your shades, have a looks see. It's also documented in official H-D literature somewhere, but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to remember where!
[/blockquote]
whatever
I guess this was backing it up?
The only HD model where rake is adjusted in the tree, along with the frame, is the
VRod
VRod
measure the distance from the top of the frame neck to the top of the fork (just below the upper tree)
measure the distace from the bottom of the frame neck to the fork (just above the lower tree)
The distance is going to be the same (in other words, the forks will be parallel to the head stem) .... i.e. the stretch is in the frame, not the trees, and not a combination.
The only HD model where rake is adjusted in the tree, along with the frame, is the VRod
measure the distace from the bottom of the frame neck to the fork (just above the lower tree)
The distance is going to be the same (in other words, the forks will be parallel to the head stem) .... i.e. the stretch is in the frame, not the trees, and not a combination.
The only HD model where rake is adjusted in the tree, along with the frame, is the VRod
full face plant in front of his peers.... thats rich.
This has been a debate for some time now, and with the exception of the '06/'07 lineup, I feel it still is. If I take a position that is corrected, I have no problem addmitting I was incorrect and moving on.
You on the other hand, provided nothing but attitude and immaturity to the conversation. At no time did I take attitude with any statements being made here. I may have disagreed, but if you look at my reply to WS06 you will see that I accept that I was incorrect (for '06/07 at least).
If you are incapable of having a mature discussion where mulitiple parties may disagree, without being offensive, then I suggest you go somewhere else.
And yes, WS06 did back up his statement - what about you? At the moment the only thing you are backing up is that you are a complete a$$hole.
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Road Captain
Joined: Apr 2007
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RE: front end
can any1 help i have a 06 lowrider and i am going to put a wideglide front end on with 3degree trees and a 21 inch front wheel i also want to lower my whole bike so it is a level and my question is what size front end should i buy thank you
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Road Warrior
Joined: Jul 2006
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From: SW Corner of NW Corner
RE: front end
OMFG - what the hell is your issue? I didn't change any subject. The subject of tree rake came up. I disagreed, and was corrected with actual evidence, and I conceded.
I didn't bring up the topic of tree rake, the discussion drifted there as a part of the suggested solution to the OP.
have you ever had a disagreement with someone where you don't start using insults to back up your position? you are a whopping 54 posts into your membership here and already revealing yourself as a trouble maker.
I didn't bring up the topic of tree rake, the discussion drifted there as a part of the suggested solution to the OP.
have you ever had a disagreement with someone where you don't start using insults to back up your position? you are a whopping 54 posts into your membership here and already revealing yourself as a trouble maker.