I can't $%#&ing decide!
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Road Warrior
Joined: Nov 2007
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From: south of Boston
I can't $%#&ing decide!
SERT, TMax, Daytona TT, PC3.... I'm losing my mind!
I've read the owners manuals...installation guides....reviews.... spent DAYS on this forum doing research....reading pros and cons
I have a headache!
HELP!
I mean, I'm very good with a wrench and not stupid (graduate degree in education).... but i'll be damned if I can decide on a fuel management device!
...for what it's worth, I'm leaning towards a TMax with Autotune
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I've read the owners manuals...installation guides....reviews.... spent DAYS on this forum doing research....reading pros and cons
I have a headache!
HELP!
I mean, I'm very good with a wrench and not stupid (graduate degree in education).... but i'll be damned if I can decide on a fuel management device!
...for what it's worth, I'm leaning towards a TMax with Autotune
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Road Master
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RE: I can't $%#&ing decide!
Welcome to the club. Still running it around in my mind. I like the SERT because it is HD and is only a download and doesn't add anything to the mess under the seat but I don't like the priceplus the cost of 2-3 hours of dyno time. Good luck.
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Tourer
Joined: Nov 2007
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From: Southwest Florida
RE: I can't $%#&ing decide!
An autotune device is the a good way to go if you have the bucks to spend. A simple thing to remember is once you get your bike tuned why do you need anything thant cost alot. Saving a buck toward something else on the bike its really the way to go. To me its money in the end. All in all, all ofthe fuel solutions should work well , the lower cost ones just take a little more to tune but save you some bucks in the long run.
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2007
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From: East Tawas, MI
RE: I can't $%#&ing decide!
Hey,
I've been running a PCIII since last year. Got it from Fuelmoto, which alot here do. Its been decent. An auto tune would be nice, but I see about the same problems with that as I see with all of them. I think the EFI section has complaints on all of them. With that said, my PCIII came with a preloaded map, which I didn't use because it was too lean, but I've done alot of playing around with it. I keep coming back to a canned map from Powercommander for my 2-1. It doesn't run perfectly smooth, but runs good enough. Lots of power and cool engine. I will just have to break down and get it dyno-tuned one of these days, but until then it runs good. I only spent $276. If I had spent $600 or $700on a T-max and still needed to get a dyno-tune, that would be irritating.
So my opionion is: If you could install the T-max and for sure not need a dyno-tune, then that would be the way to go. If you're gonna need a dyno-tune anyway or you're ok with the bike running good, but not perfect then you might as well spend less and get something like the PC. My .02.
Road Master
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RE: I can't $%#&ing decide!
Option to seriously consider!
SERT and go to Latus and ask if they have a MAP for your set up. $50.00. http://www.harley-davidson-forum.net/index.php
I have had a PCIII and TMAX (07 Heritage) and now SERT (08 SG).
SERT with Latus MAP is the best of the 3.
SERT and go to Latus and ask if they have a MAP for your set up. $50.00. http://www.harley-davidson-forum.net/index.php
I have had a PCIII and TMAX (07 Heritage) and now SERT (08 SG).
SERT with Latus MAP is the best of the 3.
Cruiser
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 249
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From: Monterey CA
RE: I can't $%#&ing decide!
I feel what ever you decide on you will still question your decision.
I have the se pro race tuner, tuned by the dealer, runs like a raped ape but
have some low rpm afr concerns. I found an indy shop about 5 mi. from the house,
a real nice looking place, they do everything in house, the owner gave me a tour of the shop,
everything was brand new almost looked unused, boaring mach, mill, flow bench, dyno room,
ect. It was weird, he was the only one there at 2 in the afternoon. (and his hands were clean)
Anyway I just stopped in to see what they charge for a tune, we go out to look at my bike and he doesn't
recognize se heads, or pipes, but ask if I have a stage 1 after seeing the a/c.
I tell him it has the pro tuner, he says I need the PClll, "the pro tuner cant do the things the PClll can"
and "I'll install it for free!"
Well, thanks to the folks on this forum I know this to be untrue, and all dyno techs are not created equal.
You might be better off finding a good dyno tech first.
I have the se pro race tuner, tuned by the dealer, runs like a raped ape but
have some low rpm afr concerns. I found an indy shop about 5 mi. from the house,
a real nice looking place, they do everything in house, the owner gave me a tour of the shop,
everything was brand new almost looked unused, boaring mach, mill, flow bench, dyno room,
ect. It was weird, he was the only one there at 2 in the afternoon. (and his hands were clean)
Anyway I just stopped in to see what they charge for a tune, we go out to look at my bike and he doesn't
recognize se heads, or pipes, but ask if I have a stage 1 after seeing the a/c.
I tell him it has the pro tuner, he says I need the PClll, "the pro tuner cant do the things the PClll can"
and "I'll install it for free!"
Well, thanks to the folks on this forum I know this to be untrue, and all dyno techs are not created equal.
You might be better off finding a good dyno tech first.
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Elite HDF Member
Joined: Jun 2006
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From: Templeton California
RE: I can't $%#&ing decide!
It is frustrating, I started out with a DFO at the recomendation of at least 3 independant wrenches. I hated it, the bike never ran right backfiring all the time and nothing you could do with the DFO could fix it.So then I bought a SERT and took to tuner and had a custom map made for it on a dyno.The bike still runs great just wish I would have gone with the SERT to start with.Good luck.
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Road Warrior
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RE: I can't $%#&ing decide!
I was in the same boat and wanted to keep all my mods screaming eagle but in the end I got a pc 111 from fuel moto and installed it myself with there pre-loaded map , so far it has run great I just couldnt justify the extra 300.00 dollars for the sert thats money I can put toward a performance exhaust system.
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From: Colorado Springs, CO
RE: I can't $%#&ing decide!
My PC III works great!
If I could do it again, I'd go SERT in a heartbeat!!!
no matter what you choose, if you don't tune it on a DYNO, you will be leaving some performance on the table. DYNO tune should be considered MANDATORY.
~Joe
If I could do it again, I'd go SERT in a heartbeat!!!
no matter what you choose, if you don't tune it on a DYNO, you will be leaving some performance on the table. DYNO tune should be considered MANDATORY.
~Joe