Cams upgrade on 96"
Road Captain
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 605
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From: Minnesota
I did just cams on my 07 Ultra this fall. I had my dealer do it during his winter labor rates (about $56/hour). I did get some deals, summary:
SE 255 cams - the HD owner had some he'd taken off his 110 bike that only had 2400 miles on them. Got them for $115 (new cams SE, Andrews, Woods will run $350-500).
Tune - the owner cut me a break - only charged me for 2 hours labor/no dyno charge. Actual dyno time was more like 3 hours.
Put new lifters, Timken bearing, oil change, gaskets.
Cost was $800.
If you get new cams and a 3 hour tune, I'm guessing you can have it done for $1200. If you wrench, you can save the labor (5 hours) and you if you go with the SE 255's (which give great low end torque) you should check at the local HDs in your area or ebay. The SE 255's come stock on the new 103's and 110's. A lot of folks replace them for cams that go better with the bigger engines. I like mine. You can read several posts on the forum about them and several people have done the work themselves to install. Some good writeups by "iclick" and others. I gained 10 lb/tq and 10 hp with those cams and a tune.
SE 255 cams - the HD owner had some he'd taken off his 110 bike that only had 2400 miles on them. Got them for $115 (new cams SE, Andrews, Woods will run $350-500).
Tune - the owner cut me a break - only charged me for 2 hours labor/no dyno charge. Actual dyno time was more like 3 hours.
Put new lifters, Timken bearing, oil change, gaskets.
Cost was $800.
If you get new cams and a 3 hour tune, I'm guessing you can have it done for $1200. If you wrench, you can save the labor (5 hours) and you if you go with the SE 255's (which give great low end torque) you should check at the local HDs in your area or ebay. The SE 255's come stock on the new 103's and 110's. A lot of folks replace them for cams that go better with the bigger engines. I like mine. You can read several posts on the forum about them and several people have done the work themselves to install. Some good writeups by "iclick" and others. I gained 10 lb/tq and 10 hp with those cams and a tune.
Road Captain
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 716
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Do:
Andrews 54H cams P/N 216354
54H 16/42 238 273 .555 .165 Hi-lift New for 2008! Specially designed for 96 & 103 engines
43/15 238 273 .555 .158 with CR up to 10:1 (2200-5600 RPM range).
.030 Cometic Head Gaskets P/N C9721
Cometic Cam cover gasket P/N C9575F1
Cometic Rocker Box Gasket Kit P/N C9588
TTS Mastertune P/N 200000 + USB cable P/N 2000004.
1) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ANDRE...item518f1d63d6
2) http://www.mastertune.net/ordering.html
3) http://www.cometic.com/harleydavidson.aspx
When doing the camshaft installation, you *may* need one of the following spacers from your Harley dealer:
25729-060.100 inches
25731-060.110 inches
25734-060.120 inches
25736-060.130 inches
25737-060.140 inches
25738-060.150 inches
Andrews 54H cams P/N 216354
54H 16/42 238 273 .555 .165 Hi-lift New for 2008! Specially designed for 96 & 103 engines
43/15 238 273 .555 .158 with CR up to 10:1 (2200-5600 RPM range).
.030 Cometic Head Gaskets P/N C9721
Cometic Cam cover gasket P/N C9575F1
Cometic Rocker Box Gasket Kit P/N C9588
TTS Mastertune P/N 200000 + USB cable P/N 2000004.
1) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ANDRE...item518f1d63d6
2) http://www.mastertune.net/ordering.html
3) http://www.cometic.com/harleydavidson.aspx
When doing the camshaft installation, you *may* need one of the following spacers from your Harley dealer:
25729-060.100 inches
25731-060.110 inches
25734-060.120 inches
25736-060.130 inches
25737-060.140 inches
25738-060.150 inches
Road Captain
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 723
Likes: 1
From: My Mom
Cams
That is a great price on the 54h cams. I bought my 26h cams for my dresser from the same place...same price. The advice from llama about the cams, TTS, and head gaskets is pretty solid. I think the 54s like a little more than stock compression and the 030 gasket will give it to you. I like the TTS for bikes equipped with o2 sensors and I've gotten better results with it than with the PCIII. The comments about the SE255 is also true...you can find some great deals and I've seen impressive dyno sheets. Basically, if you stick with a reasonable cam & get a decent tune you should be happy with the results.
Road Captain
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 723
Likes: 1
From: My Mom
Lol
...LOL
Yes thats better. The only intent I had in rephrasing your statement is to not contribute to the doom and gloom that is so prevelant on many of these websites. Sometimes people read statements like yours and automatically fall into the "chicken little syndrome". You probably meant nothing by it. There are hundreds of thousands of late model HDs running around with less than desireble run-out. Many will never have a problem. Is it better to weld, pin, balance...ABSOLUTELY ! I wish the factory cared enough to do it right the first time. I'd love to be able to afford to do both of mine just for the hell of it...
Road Captain
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 716
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If you do the 54H or 255 cam swap, you will also need:
1) Barnett HD Clutch Spring P/N 502-00-01008
http://www.barnettclutches.com/produ...els&clutch_cc=
or......
1) Screamin Eagle HD Clutch Spring P/N 37951-98
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HD-Sc...Q5fAccessories
1) Barnett HD Clutch Spring P/N 502-00-01008
http://www.barnettclutches.com/produ...els&clutch_cc=
or......
1) Screamin Eagle HD Clutch Spring P/N 37951-98
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HD-Sc...Q5fAccessories
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I ran my bike with 54h's and XIED's with Cycle Shacks and the clutch slipped...bad.