Thinking about cams and headwork.
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From: Daytona Beach Fl
I have a few questions about the quote myself. It breaks down to $300 for cams $150 for rods $750 for headwork. The heads will be sent out to someone else but will include port & polish and all new internal parts. That leaves $1300. They kept saying it was a 95" kit so is there more to it or is that for labor and other insidentals?
like I said before I can't do this kind of work myself. I can do most everything else but I don't have the tools for it plus when it comes to the engine I want it to be done right. There are a couple of other places that I will check out before I do anything.
like I said before I can't do this kind of work myself. I can do most everything else but I don't have the tools for it plus when it comes to the engine I want it to be done right. There are a couple of other places that I will check out before I do anything.
Last edited by Bob'n'Stang; Jul 16, 2010 at 08:56 PM.
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95 is for 88 motors ... your '09 should be a 103" if they're installing a big bore kit (i.e., new pistons and bore the cylinders or replace with larger bore jugs) ....
Are they forged or cast pistons ... what is the static compression ratio after the build ... what pistons (S.E., Wiseco, etc) ...?
Here's another thing to check on ... while both 95 and 103 kits increase the bore of the respective 88 and 96 from 3-3/4" to 3-7/8" they are not interchangeable ... the stroke of the 96 is longer and therefore the piston skirts have to be a little shorter so they will clear the rods as the crank is making its revolution ...
I think theoretically a 103 kit could be used on an 88 motor (making it a 95) without adverse consequences, the same is not true for a 96 motor ... its got to have the correct pistons ....
Are they forged or cast pistons ... what is the static compression ratio after the build ... what pistons (S.E., Wiseco, etc) ...?
Here's another thing to check on ... while both 95 and 103 kits increase the bore of the respective 88 and 96 from 3-3/4" to 3-7/8" they are not interchangeable ... the stroke of the 96 is longer and therefore the piston skirts have to be a little shorter so they will clear the rods as the crank is making its revolution ...
I think theoretically a 103 kit could be used on an 88 motor (making it a 95) without adverse consequences, the same is not true for a 96 motor ... its got to have the correct pistons ....
Last edited by SURFOR Chop; Jul 16, 2010 at 07:24 PM.
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From: North Carolina
Give a call to Kendall Johnson in North Carolina. He'll hook you up for that price plus nobody builds like Kendall. Just check out some of the top custom builders they vouch for his work. You won't be sorry and the shop your wanting to use will be asking where you had it done!
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From: Brigham City, Utah
I have about $2000 in parts collected for a build this winter that include 95" jugs and SE 10.25-1 Pistons, Heads that are ported, polished, flow tested, new high lift springs, valves, seals and what not. Picked up an SE Super Tuner, Feuling Reaper 574 Cams, Feuling Reaper Roller Race lifters...Was told to stay with 1 piece push rods....Just short a gasket kit and the labor to do it.
Try shopping around for parts and see what you can come up with.
Look up Vee Twin here and check out his Big Bore kits and heads rather than the SE Big Bore kits that seem so available.
Shopping around you might put together a better package of parts than what they are including and even save you some money at the same time.
I wont say anything about cams from others by any means but I was really impressed with the guys at Feuling Reaper....They went out of their way to help me make a choice. They compared their cams with some others and pointed out the good and bad of both. I actually up my cam choice from pretty mild grind to the 574 lift FR over their 535 lift and a few others.
I am not sure I needed the Roller Race lifters but I had some extra money in the Paypal account so what the heck.
Karsten
Try shopping around for parts and see what you can come up with.
Look up Vee Twin here and check out his Big Bore kits and heads rather than the SE Big Bore kits that seem so available.
Shopping around you might put together a better package of parts than what they are including and even save you some money at the same time.
I wont say anything about cams from others by any means but I was really impressed with the guys at Feuling Reaper....They went out of their way to help me make a choice. They compared their cams with some others and pointed out the good and bad of both. I actually up my cam choice from pretty mild grind to the 574 lift FR over their 535 lift and a few others.
I am not sure I needed the Roller Race lifters but I had some extra money in the Paypal account so what the heck.
Karsten
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If you're staying 96" be careful going with bigger valves, the pistons will need the reliefs cut out a little for clearance, a 750 port job more than likely includes bigger valves.// A set of Wood TW5-6's, .030 head gasket and a simple street port from 300-500 should have you at 100+ with no problem.
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I just got back from one of the local indys. They are one of the best around and they gave me a quote on new cams, head work and, adjustable pushrods. It would be around $2500. It is a package that they have done alot of and should give me around 100 horsepower. A friend of mine had it done to his RoadKing and swears by it. Or I could go the cheap route and just get a set of cams but I don't know if I would be satisfied with that.
I used to have a bike that had a 100" Revtech motor and it was so much stronger than the 96" HD I would realy like to get back to that kind of power.
I can't do the work myself so thats out of the question. It would take a good chunk out of my savings but I could swing it. Anyway what do you guys think?
I used to have a bike that had a 100" Revtech motor and it was so much stronger than the 96" HD I would realy like to get back to that kind of power.
I can't do the work myself so thats out of the question. It would take a good chunk out of my savings but I could swing it. Anyway what do you guys think?
Let's call parts total $1000. ~$1500 for install? Seems excessive.
I just did a simple cam swap for less than $500 although I did buy the cams used from an hdf member. Cost was about 50% of new. I reused my pushrods. Believe me, I'm no mechanic and after doing the upgrade found it to be pretty simple and I didn't need any specialty tools for it other than the bearing puller/installer for the inner cam bearings. Nothing wrong with keeping your indy in business but it doesn't sound like you really have $2500 to play with.
Last edited by SC-Longhair; Jul 17, 2010 at 07:52 AM.
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No, but from that price is does sound like the OP would get a good f#cking. 
j/k...I couldn't resist.
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I'm gonna go with everyone else and throw up the red flag on this one. You might want to take a step back and check everything again.
You can get an awesome port/polish done for less than what they are asking. BigBoyz is pretty BA when it comes to that. $350 for a cam....that's a bit low but ok. $150 for new pushrods? Why do you need new pushrods if the head is coming off and the cams are coming out?
You might want to make sure that they aren't changing out the jugs to a 103" kit...cause if they are leaving it stock 96"....this is a bit insane.
Even if they throw a good dyno tune in, the labor is high. It seems to me that either your shop is trying to scare you away with a high price because they don't want to do the work, or they misunderstood something and accidentally quoted you something else.
You can get an awesome port/polish done for less than what they are asking. BigBoyz is pretty BA when it comes to that. $350 for a cam....that's a bit low but ok. $150 for new pushrods? Why do you need new pushrods if the head is coming off and the cams are coming out?
You might want to make sure that they aren't changing out the jugs to a 103" kit...cause if they are leaving it stock 96"....this is a bit insane.
Even if they throw a good dyno tune in, the labor is high. It seems to me that either your shop is trying to scare you away with a high price because they don't want to do the work, or they misunderstood something and accidentally quoted you something else.
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AFHuey...most Andrews cams are in the $250-$300 range from what I've seen. Wood cams are usually around $390 or so (new). I did see a tw7 go for $200 on ebay recently. Barely had any miles on them too.