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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 08:12 AM
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Not a huge fan of Dunlops, but cupping is usually caused by some sort of a alignment problem. Make sure you don't have a bent rim or spokes.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 08:19 AM
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I think the cupping on the Fat Bob "block tread" Dunlop is unique to this tire. The issue is that every other block on each side of the tire cups. There's a larger block then a smaller one and on the opposite side of the tire it's opposite. The smaller blocks wear down and the larger ones do not. when they wear like this it gives a diagonal pattern of cupping back and forth from side to side. Does that make sense? Best I can figure is that the larger blocks are a harder compound and the smaller blocks are a softer compound for grip and the smaller ones simply wear down quicker.

I got 13,500 on the first tire which was mostly straight road. I cupped it out in 5,000 when I was in Arkansas on twisty roads taking curves 15-20 mph over speed limit.

I get the Marathons on tuesday and will report on whether they are an improvement.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 08:20 AM
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i, personally, just stick with the tires harley provides. they last a decent amount of time and are relatively inexpensive.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 08:25 AM
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If your tires are cupping you do not have the correct PSI in them. Cupping on on the leading edge of the tread is over inflated and cupping on the trailing edge is under inflated. Just being off by a few PSI can cause cupping. Make sure your tires are warmed upwhen you check your pressure and adjust your PSI.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 08:26 AM
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you will like the marathons, they are a great all around tire
 
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mang0
Had night dragons on my wide glide for about 2000 miles now...love the feel and grip of these..take twists and turns with confidence. They seem to be wearing good so far....however the 180 rear didn't quite fill the fender like the stock...
From what I've gathered, the HD Dunlop is the only 180 tire that's specifically designed for the 4.5" rim, so I think the Night Dragon may be "stretching" a bit to fit on the narrower than design spec'd rim.

In pics I've seen, it does look similar to the way the 200's are stretched onto the 4.5" wheels.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cormech
If your tires are cupping you do not have the correct PSI in them. Cupping on on the leading edge of the tread is over inflated and cupping on the trailing edge is under inflated. Just being off by a few PSI can cause cupping. Make sure your tires are warmed upwhen you check your pressure and adjust your PSI.
I'm not sure how you mean this. If the larger blocks don't wear on either edge but the smaller blocks wear down how does this make sense? The only way it makes sense to me is if the compound used in the different sized blocks is different. The tire has alternating small-large-small-large blocks in a line. Only the small ones wear. If it was a psi issue wouldn't it affect all the blocks around the tire?
 
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 08:44 AM
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Well, I was wrong about the Night Dragon for the 4.5" wheel.

There's a chart here: http://www.hdwheels.com/Product.htm

There's a footnote under the rear tire/rim chart that says, "** Only 180/60-17 GT502 Dunlop Screamin' Eagle and Pirelli Night Dragon tire fits on 17x4.5 rim". (The ** is from the 180 width chart.)
 
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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jodog
I think the cupping on the Fat Bob "block tread" Dunlop is unique to this tire. The issue is that every other block on each side of the tire cups. There's a larger block then a smaller one and on the opposite side of the tire it's opposite. The smaller blocks wear down and the larger ones do not. when they wear like this it gives a diagonal pattern of cupping back and forth from side to side. Does that make sense? Best I can figure is that the larger blocks are a harder compound and the smaller blocks are a softer compound for grip and the smaller ones simply wear down quicker.

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Very close jodog. Dead on with the tread pattern being a culprit. With any tire with block patterns the leading edge of pattern makes first contact and the force to rotate tire pushes the rubber back and the block then rubs/scrubs the road surface. This wears the trailing edge down faster then the leading edge and produces the cupping. Due to the trailing edge having to scrub to have same speed as leading edge.
Tread patterns like the Metz ME880, Dunlop Elites, Avon Cobras and many others do not suffer as bad due to not having block patterns.
All that said, on cars/trucks etc they rotate the tires to offset the cupping.

Cheers and enjoy the riding season.


Edited to change from leading edge wearing faster then trailing edge. I have CRS .
 

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Old Jun 18, 2011 | 09:22 AM
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I think cupping is caused by under inflation. That's been my experience anyway.
 
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