Stator Question. I don't get it?
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It Seems that a lot of people, including your "25 year mechanic" and dealer are very confused about what exactly the issue is and what the design changes were. First step, find a new mechanic and new dealer. It is mind blowing to me that they are so oblivious to this issue. I would suggest being worried about it.
Now I will straighten this out. The issue has nothing to do with the screw-in stator, or the stator itself for that matter. The '06 dyna is the first year of the 6 speed, new primary design and compensator. Prior to this, the stator rotor and compensator were two separate pieces. On the new setup the spring cup for the compensator is bolted to the rotor. These are the bolts that fall out. And they do fall out. My buddy I bought my bike from bought it new in '06 and already knew about the issue. He took it apart and red loc tited them, and they still fell out on me at 35k. It makes a hell of a racket, wipes out the stator, and hopefully doesn't lock anything up in the process. Some people were taking them apart and welding the bolts. The reason it only happens on '06 dynas is that's the only bike that has ever had the compensator bolted to the rotor, a sportster doesn't have a compensator, the rotor is bolted to the front sprocket. I can post pictures of mine when it came apart if you would like.
The Ipb is a whole other story. Once again, sorry, but your mechanic and dealer are wrong and oblivious again. I've personally never seen an '06 dyna go over 20k without an Ipb failure. I can't even count how many we've done. Mine went twice before 20k, leaving the bike stranded the second time and Harley paid to do the cases. Yes, there's an updated bearing, no that doesn't fix it. As someone mentioned the cause is no dowels between the inner and trans. Some came machined for the dowels and you can get away with just installing the dowels. Most need the cases replaced.
Last one I did was a couple months ago. Harley was still paying to fix both the rotor and Ipb issue, you just need a dealer willing to go to bat for you. You can pm me if you'd like more info.
Now I will straighten this out. The issue has nothing to do with the screw-in stator, or the stator itself for that matter. The '06 dyna is the first year of the 6 speed, new primary design and compensator. Prior to this, the stator rotor and compensator were two separate pieces. On the new setup the spring cup for the compensator is bolted to the rotor. These are the bolts that fall out. And they do fall out. My buddy I bought my bike from bought it new in '06 and already knew about the issue. He took it apart and red loc tited them, and they still fell out on me at 35k. It makes a hell of a racket, wipes out the stator, and hopefully doesn't lock anything up in the process. Some people were taking them apart and welding the bolts. The reason it only happens on '06 dynas is that's the only bike that has ever had the compensator bolted to the rotor, a sportster doesn't have a compensator, the rotor is bolted to the front sprocket. I can post pictures of mine when it came apart if you would like.
The Ipb is a whole other story. Once again, sorry, but your mechanic and dealer are wrong and oblivious again. I've personally never seen an '06 dyna go over 20k without an Ipb failure. I can't even count how many we've done. Mine went twice before 20k, leaving the bike stranded the second time and Harley paid to do the cases. Yes, there's an updated bearing, no that doesn't fix it. As someone mentioned the cause is no dowels between the inner and trans. Some came machined for the dowels and you can get away with just installing the dowels. Most need the cases replaced.
Last one I did was a couple months ago. Harley was still paying to fix both the rotor and Ipb issue, you just need a dealer willing to go to bat for you. You can pm me if you'd like more info.
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Excellent write up Vdop.
For a time, (once Harley recognized their mistake on the '06 Dyna 'experiment'.) they were replacing the IPB's every 15,000 miles for the life of the 06 Dynas when the bikes came in for Service. ( They rescinded that program after about 2 years.) So they knew, (and know,) what the 06's issues are. The Dealers now...not so much obviously.
For a time, (once Harley recognized their mistake on the '06 Dyna 'experiment'.) they were replacing the IPB's every 15,000 miles for the life of the 06 Dynas when the bikes came in for Service. ( They rescinded that program after about 2 years.) So they knew, (and know,) what the 06's issues are. The Dealers now...not so much obviously.
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I have a 06 wide glide and have had both problems. I had the IPB go out at 16000 mi, repaired under warranty with just a new bearing. It went out again at 23000 mi and they wanted the bike for 3 weeks to change out the cases and all in the summer. I fixed it myself with a one piece bearing from Baker transmission. While I had the primary apart, I took the stator to the local muffler shop and gave one of the guys 20 bucks to tack each of the eight screws. There is an upgraded, heavier, tensioner that I installed also. I might have had a hundred bucks in parts and I had to by a puller to get the IPB race off.
I now have almost 73000 miles and going strong. I ride all over the midwest and south, two up. Never had anything major go wrong on my trips and love my WG.
I now have almost 73000 miles and going strong. I ride all over the midwest and south, two up. Never had anything major go wrong on my trips and love my WG.
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It Seems that a lot of people, including your "25 year mechanic" and dealer are very confused about what exactly the issue is and what the design changes were. First step, find a new mechanic and new dealer. It is mind blowing to me that they are so oblivious to this issue. I would suggest being worried about it.
Now I will straighten this out. The issue has nothing to do with the screw-in stator, or the stator itself for that matter. The '06 dyna is the first year of the 6 speed, new primary design and compensator. Prior to this, the stator rotor and compensator were two separate pieces. On the new setup the spring cup for the compensator is bolted to the rotor. These are the bolts that fall out. And they do fall out. My buddy I bought my bike from bought it new in '06 and already knew about the issue. He took it apart and red loc tited them, and they still fell out on me at 35k. It makes a hell of a racket, wipes out the stator, and hopefully doesn't lock anything up in the process. Some people were taking them apart and welding the bolts. The reason it only happens on '06 dynas is that's the only bike that has ever had the compensator bolted to the rotor, a sportster doesn't have a compensator, the rotor is bolted to the front sprocket. I can post pictures of mine when it came apart if you would like.
The Ipb is a whole other story. Once again, sorry, but your mechanic and dealer are wrong and oblivious again. I've personally never seen an '06 dyna go over 20k without an Ipb failure. I can't even count how many we've done. Mine went twice before 20k, leaving the bike stranded the second time and Harley paid to do the cases. Yes, there's an updated bearing, no that doesn't fix it. As someone mentioned the cause is no dowels between the inner and trans. Some came machined for the dowels and you can get away with just installing the dowels. Most need the cases replaced.
Last one I did was a couple months ago. Harley was still paying to fix both the rotor and Ipb issue, you just need a dealer willing to go to bat for you. You can pm me if you'd like more info.
It Seems that a lot of people, including your "25 year mechanic" and dealer are very confused about what exactly the issue is and what the design changes were. First step, find a new mechanic and new dealer. It is mind blowing to me that they are so oblivious to this issue. I would suggest being worried about it.
Now I will straighten this out. The issue has nothing to do with the screw-in stator, or the stator itself for that matter. The '06 dyna is the first year of the 6 speed, new primary design and compensator. Prior to this, the stator rotor and compensator were two separate pieces. On the new setup the spring cup for the compensator is bolted to the rotor. These are the bolts that fall out. And they do fall out. My buddy I bought my bike from bought it new in '06 and already knew about the issue. He took it apart and red loc tited them, and they still fell out on me at 35k. It makes a hell of a racket, wipes out the stator, and hopefully doesn't lock anything up in the process. Some people were taking them apart and welding the bolts. The reason it only happens on '06 dynas is that's the only bike that has ever had the compensator bolted to the rotor, a sportster doesn't have a compensator, the rotor is bolted to the front sprocket. I can post pictures of mine when it came apart if you would like.
The Ipb is a whole other story. Once again, sorry, but your mechanic and dealer are wrong and oblivious again. I've personally never seen an '06 dyna go over 20k without an Ipb failure. I can't even count how many we've done. Mine went twice before 20k, leaving the bike stranded the second time and Harley paid to do the cases. Yes, there's an updated bearing, no that doesn't fix it. As someone mentioned the cause is no dowels between the inner and trans. Some came machined for the dowels and you can get away with just installing the dowels. Most need the cases replaced.
Last one I did was a couple months ago. Harley was still paying to fix both the rotor and Ipb issue, you just need a dealer willing to go to bat for you. You can pm me if you'd like more info.
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I have a 06 wide glide and have had both problems. I had the IPB go out at 16000 mi, repaired under warranty with just a new bearing. It went out again at 23000 mi and they wanted the bike for 3 weeks to change out the cases and all in the summer. I fixed it myself with a one piece bearing from Baker transmission. While I had the primary apart, I took the stator to the local muffler shop and gave one of the guys 20 bucks to tack each of the eight screws. There is an upgraded, heavier, tensioner that I installed also. I might have had a hundred bucks in parts and I had to by a puller to get the IPB race off.
I now have almost 73000 miles and going strong. I ride all over the midwest and south, two up. Never had anything major go wrong on my trips and love my WG.
I now have almost 73000 miles and going strong. I ride all over the midwest and south, two up. Never had anything major go wrong on my trips and love my WG.
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Not every 06s will suffer all the problems that appeared that year, but many did (and some low mileage bikes will as they are ridden). My son bought an 2006 FXD 35 brand new. He had every issue discussed above plus a couple more. Under warranty Harley replaced everything and went so far as to replace the transmission case on one warranty repair. I know Harley did several thousand dollars in warranty repair work to his bike. At one point in time he was frustrated enough that he considered selling the bike. However, the last couple of years have been "trouble free" and he loves the bike, so it all worked out. One problem that my Son had that you may want to check - he had the "support bolt" for the upper part of one of his shocks shear off while riding on a rough road. He was told that for 06 they were hollow. I know that they were replaced with a better part once his had sheared. I can say when I went looking for a Dyna to go with my Ultra - I absolutely would not buy an 06 just because of all the issues I saw with my Son's bike. Good Luck.
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Called 3 local harley dealerships this morning. These are LARGE well respected long time running Harley Dealerships. Spoke to the service manager at all 3.
I asked specifically about the stator/rotor/compensator cup screws and the IPB.
They all were familiar with both in regards the 06 Dyna with the 6 speed. They told me that when they do the IPB they always recommend the new case with the locator pins if the motor doesn't have them(some do.. some don't). Here is a summary of what all 3 service managers told me regarding the 06 Dyna with the new 6 speed tranny.
STATOR/ROTOR/COMPENSATOR CUP SCREW ISSUE...
All 3 dealerships have never had one come in with that problem and they have never seen the screws loosening up on a compensator cup when they were replacing a faulty stator.
IPB noise or failure.
The 3 dealership have done it 5 times each on bikes that they had sold new since 2006. None of them were failures. They were just noisy. Most of those bikes were high mileage bikes (over 25K)
They did mention that the service manual recommends that the bearing be checked at 15K miles and that because of that they always check for noise when an 06 comes in for routine maintenance. Its very rare for them to have to replace one but if they hear noise and they find that the case doesn't have the 2 locator pins they try to submit the repair to Harley and most of the time they can work out a pretty good deal for the repair. One guy told me that per Harley Davidson, the repair is to replace the bearing. They go one step further and they recommend replacing the case with the 2007 model which has the 2 missing alignment pins. Its a $1200.00 job. If I ever have to do it I will upgrade the case to the chrome one.
So.. I asked all three if I should be concerned because I take long rides with my wife on the back and I don't want to get stuck. The answer I got was ride the bike. Enjoy the bike. Don't worry about the compensator cup screw issue. As far as they are concerned its not an issue at all and if it was they would have seen it regularly. None of the 3 service managers have ever seen the issue. These are guys who have been working at these dealerships as the service managers for over 10 years each and I know one of the guys personally. As far as the IPB is concerned, if I hear a noise and it sounds like a skateboard wheel scraping or whining coming from the primary side bring the bike in and they will check it out and do the best they could to keep me happy.
I appreciate all the responses. Owning a Harley really is being part of a family.
I asked specifically about the stator/rotor/compensator cup screws and the IPB.
They all were familiar with both in regards the 06 Dyna with the 6 speed. They told me that when they do the IPB they always recommend the new case with the locator pins if the motor doesn't have them(some do.. some don't). Here is a summary of what all 3 service managers told me regarding the 06 Dyna with the new 6 speed tranny.
STATOR/ROTOR/COMPENSATOR CUP SCREW ISSUE...
All 3 dealerships have never had one come in with that problem and they have never seen the screws loosening up on a compensator cup when they were replacing a faulty stator.
IPB noise or failure.
The 3 dealership have done it 5 times each on bikes that they had sold new since 2006. None of them were failures. They were just noisy. Most of those bikes were high mileage bikes (over 25K)
They did mention that the service manual recommends that the bearing be checked at 15K miles and that because of that they always check for noise when an 06 comes in for routine maintenance. Its very rare for them to have to replace one but if they hear noise and they find that the case doesn't have the 2 locator pins they try to submit the repair to Harley and most of the time they can work out a pretty good deal for the repair. One guy told me that per Harley Davidson, the repair is to replace the bearing. They go one step further and they recommend replacing the case with the 2007 model which has the 2 missing alignment pins. Its a $1200.00 job. If I ever have to do it I will upgrade the case to the chrome one.
So.. I asked all three if I should be concerned because I take long rides with my wife on the back and I don't want to get stuck. The answer I got was ride the bike. Enjoy the bike. Don't worry about the compensator cup screw issue. As far as they are concerned its not an issue at all and if it was they would have seen it regularly. None of the 3 service managers have ever seen the issue. These are guys who have been working at these dealerships as the service managers for over 10 years each and I know one of the guys personally. As far as the IPB is concerned, if I hear a noise and it sounds like a skateboard wheel scraping or whining coming from the primary side bring the bike in and they will check it out and do the best they could to keep me happy.
I appreciate all the responses. Owning a Harley really is being part of a family.
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I had a stator go bad after 15,000 miles. My FXDB was one of the first built for the 2007 model. Bought it in Sept 2006. Must have been some of the leftover parts from 2006.
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my buddy went to Danbury Harley to drop of his CVO Springer for new tires and he asked the service manager there my questions. He was familiar with both. According to him..
In the beginning of 2006 the IPB was listed in the service manual as a maintanence item to be checked at every service interval or 15K. By the middle of 2006, because of the lack of issues regarding the IPB Harley stopped putting the procedure in their service/owners manuals. It simply was a non issue. He has seen a few in the 20 years he has worked there. Both were brand new bikes and were covered under warranty.
Regarding the stator/rotor/compensator cup screw issue. He has never seen one come through their dealership. They have replaced bad stators on 2006 models over the years but none of them ever had loose compensator cup screws. They were just faulty stators. He said that because Harley had so many drastic changes in 2007 many owners attributed anything that went wrong with their 2006 Dyna 6 speeds (the first year for the new transmission) as a manufacturing problem. He told my buddy to tell me to ride and enjoy the bike.
The reason I am putting all these posts on the HD Forum is because there are so many 2006 Dyna 6 speed owners out there and there are so many horror story posts here. I am not saying they aren't true or didn't happen.. I am just telling what I found out from the local dealers around me in Connecticut. Brothers HD in Branford, Yankee HD in Bristol and Danbury HD in Danbury. All very large, long time running highly respected dealerships. I bought mine at Brothers and I couldn't be happier with how I have been treated. My next bike will certainly come from them.
In the beginning of 2006 the IPB was listed in the service manual as a maintanence item to be checked at every service interval or 15K. By the middle of 2006, because of the lack of issues regarding the IPB Harley stopped putting the procedure in their service/owners manuals. It simply was a non issue. He has seen a few in the 20 years he has worked there. Both were brand new bikes and were covered under warranty.
Regarding the stator/rotor/compensator cup screw issue. He has never seen one come through their dealership. They have replaced bad stators on 2006 models over the years but none of them ever had loose compensator cup screws. They were just faulty stators. He said that because Harley had so many drastic changes in 2007 many owners attributed anything that went wrong with their 2006 Dyna 6 speeds (the first year for the new transmission) as a manufacturing problem. He told my buddy to tell me to ride and enjoy the bike.
The reason I am putting all these posts on the HD Forum is because there are so many 2006 Dyna 6 speed owners out there and there are so many horror story posts here. I am not saying they aren't true or didn't happen.. I am just telling what I found out from the local dealers around me in Connecticut. Brothers HD in Branford, Yankee HD in Bristol and Danbury HD in Danbury. All very large, long time running highly respected dealerships. I bought mine at Brothers and I couldn't be happier with how I have been treated. My next bike will certainly come from them.
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