IPB and Stator/cup Issues 2006
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I called Harley and explained my case regarding the ticking time bomb my wife refuses to ride on and the fact that I am afraid to take the bike long distances because of the rotor/stator issues and the IPB. They told me to pound salt and gave me a case number. They would not acknowledge anything on the 2 issues. Their position is they take every issue on a case by case basis and since my bike is 7 years old there is nothing they will do about it. I explained that I bought it from a large HD dealership last year with 5000 miles on it and I financed it through HD and that the dealership should have told me about the issues on the 2006 Dyna 6 speeds especially since the service manager and the head mechanic both know about them. She told me there are no recalls and therefore they had nothing to tell me. She told me that I was trying to back her into a corner forcing her to admit there are numerous reported issues on both the stator/rotor/compensator cup and the IPB. I asked why they changed both things in 2007 and she said Harley is always improving their design.
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If its bothering you so much, just tear it apart, slap in a Baker IPB, weld or red loc-tite the rotor screws and call it a day. It's cheap, pretty easy and worth the peace of mind. Yeah, the 06 has those 2 issues. But they are very easily fixed and very minor compared to a lot of problems that other bikes have. For like 100 bucks to fix the problems, you get the most reliable 88 they made (which runs cooler than the 96) , plus fuel injection and a six speed. Not a bad deal IMO.
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If its bothering you so much, just tear it apart, slap in a Baker IPB, weld or red loc-tite the rotor screws and call it a day. It's cheap, pretty easy and worth the peace of mind. Yeah, the 06 has those 2 issues. But they are very easily fixed and very minor compared to a lot of problems that other bikes have. For like 100 bucks to fix the problems, you get the most reliable 88 they made (which runs cooler than the 96) , plus fuel injection and a six speed. Not a bad deal IMO.
It should be Harley's responsibility to fix these 2 issues for EVERY single owner of a 2006 Dyna.
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I fixed mine before any problems showed up. I learned about the issues and fixes here on HDforum. I do understand why so many are pissed off though. To bad Harley isn't standing behind there product. I will never buy another new one. I do love riding the one I have.
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Me either. What really pissed me off was when I asked Ann at Harley Corporate Headquarters why Harley switched to the 2007 design stator/rotor and the inner primary /tranny case with locating dowels in mid 2006 if there weren't problems with both. She told me there were no problems or recalls with the 2006 models so there is nothing to talk about. She also told me I was trying to back her into a corner. I just wanted a simple answer to my question. Why did Harley start putting the 2007 parts in the 2006 bikes in mid 2006. It is obvious that they discovered the problems with both and corrected them with the new 2007 design leaving all the owners of the early 2006 bikes to fend for themselves especially after they recinded the infamous IPB pink letter. What a joke. I am looking into starting a class action suit but I need alot of people to come forward with their stories and documentation. Harley can't get away with this one. Its too highly documented online.
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I have a 2006 Wide Glide. With just over 30,000 on it the Stator/Rotor self imploded 300+ miles from home. Of course this was on a Saturday night. Long story short trailed bike to local Dealership. Called Costumer Service and received reference number. Hoping Harley steps up to the plate. For those interested Harley replaced the IPB at their cost at 21,000 miles. Didn't get the full Monty but should on the next failure.
Just to give you a update I picked my bike up from dealership. Screws did back out of two piece rotor and got tangled up in stator. Bill came out to $592 plus tax. Thanks to the reference number, all I ended up paying was a $100 Administration fee. Still feel they should of done a recall but this eases the pain somewhat.
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Just to give you a update I picked my bike up from dealership. Screws did back out of two piece rotor and got tangled up in stator. Bill came out to $592 plus tax. Thanks to the reference number, all I ended up paying was a $100 Administration fee. Still feel they should of done a recall but this eases the pain somewhat.
While it was apart for the trashed stator-rotor replacement, the shop checked the inner primary bearing. It's pretty easy to check at that point. The bearing was really knarley looking with chunks of metal missing from the surface of the inner race, so that was replaced too. So I'd advise checking that while things are apart. There was no noise to suggest that the bearing was going south, but I have pretty loud pipes.
One other thing:
The Stator / Rotor kit 43056-06b, which HD recommends to repair this problem, is a one-piece unit, not held together by screws like the original part.
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I too bought my 06 Dyna from a dealership last Sept having no idea i just bought a very pretty time bomb. Over the winter we tack welded the rotor screws, and changed out the Harley bearing for a Baker bearing. My husband did all the work so it was relatively inexpensive. 2500 miles later the IPB is shredded. Change it out again and within 58 miles theres a noise. My husband gets good advice from the forum and installs a Haden tensioner. So far shes good at least as far as all that is concerned. I got rear ended at a light last Friday to the tune of 3 grand. I agree big time that Harley should compensate all 06 Dyna 6 speed victims.
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Another update:
Sent the trashed inner primary bearing off to work with the wife today to see if the engineers there could give a failure analysis (she works for a bearing manufacturer).
To me, it looks like most of the load was on one end of the bearing, rather than being evenly distributed. In other words, one end of the rollers was taking most of the load, and the inner race at that end of the rollers was over-loaded and started shedding metal. In other words, an alignment problem.
This could be due to one of many possible machining errors during manufacture, but could also be due to the bearing being off-center, relative to the transmission shaft, so the shaft runs slightly cocked in the bearing. So the theory about the missing locating dowels is looking good.
Even if the inner primary case was wiggled around to get proper alignment during assembly, the forces on that part are so large that it might not stay in place without some positive locating device, like dowels.
If that's the problem, not sure what the solution would be yet, other than switching to the updated doweled parts. Or maybe there's a spherical style roller bearing which would fit. This style is made to tolerate some misalignment.
Sent the trashed inner primary bearing off to work with the wife today to see if the engineers there could give a failure analysis (she works for a bearing manufacturer).
To me, it looks like most of the load was on one end of the bearing, rather than being evenly distributed. In other words, one end of the rollers was taking most of the load, and the inner race at that end of the rollers was over-loaded and started shedding metal. In other words, an alignment problem.
This could be due to one of many possible machining errors during manufacture, but could also be due to the bearing being off-center, relative to the transmission shaft, so the shaft runs slightly cocked in the bearing. So the theory about the missing locating dowels is looking good.
Even if the inner primary case was wiggled around to get proper alignment during assembly, the forces on that part are so large that it might not stay in place without some positive locating device, like dowels.
If that's the problem, not sure what the solution would be yet, other than switching to the updated doweled parts. Or maybe there's a spherical style roller bearing which would fit. This style is made to tolerate some misalignment.
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I too bought my 06 Dyna from a dealership last Sept having no idea i just bought a very pretty time bomb. Over the winter we tack welded the rotor screws, and changed out the Harley bearing for a Baker bearing. My husband did all the work so it was relatively inexpensive. 2500 miles later the IPB is shredded. Change it out again and within 58 miles theres a noise. My husband gets good advice from the forum and installs a Haden tensioner. So far shes good at least as far as all that is concerned. I got rear ended at a light last Friday to the tune of 3 grand. I agree big time that Harley should compensate all 06 Dyna 6 speed victims.
IMHO.. the reason Harley didn't step up on this is because they are taking care of these issues AFTER they occur ONLY when the owner is savvy enough to call the factory, get a case number and follow it through with the dealership. Also.. the dealership has to be willing to champion the cause too. From what I read.. the dealerships are pretty customer friendly when it comes to these issues. My point is this.. and I sound like a broken record... the factory shouldn't force owners of 2006 Dyna's to wait until their bikes break down before they step up and do the right thing. They should issue a recall now and take care of these very serious issues. They already admitted guilt just by changing to the new upgraded 2007 parts midway into the 2006 year. The day they started installing the new 2007 parts in the 2006 bikes at the factory is the same day they should have issued the recall. In regards to the IPB they sort of did because in the beginning of the 2006 production year they issued a pink letter stating they would replace the IPB every 15,000 miles at no charge and when they started using the new upgraded inner primary case and transmission case they sent out the white letter stating they would no longer replace the IPB. That's because they found out about the problem, corrected it and while they were at it they also took care of the stator/rotor issue. The problem with that is all the owners of 2006 Dyna's prior to that were left out in the cold. That's a class action suit if I ever heard one. Especially since its so highly documented.