Tuning for Dummies - Stage 1
Intermediate
Joined: Mar 2013
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From: New Port Richey, Florida
2013 Blackline with stage 1
I did the Harley Davidson Screaming Eagle air filter, Vance and Hines Short Shots and a Vance and Hines Fuel Pak. I have limited funds and this set up cost me around $ 1,000 . Harley Davidson shop said around 280 for a dyno tune, Screaming Eagle Pro Race super tuner 450.00. Then you add on your pipes and air filter. You will need $1500.00 to 2k.
Which one works better ? Screaming Eagle Pro Race Tuner I would think. Very nice for cams or head work......just pipes and stage 1.......vance and hines and save your money.........................
2013 Harley Davidson Blackline with Vance and Hines Short Shots,stage 1 screaming eagle airfilter and vance and hines fuelpak....LISTEN TO THIS BIKE RUN.........
Which one works better ? Screaming Eagle Pro Race Tuner I would think. Very nice for cams or head work......just pipes and stage 1.......vance and hines and save your money.........................
2013 Harley Davidson Blackline with Vance and Hines Short Shots,stage 1 screaming eagle airfilter and vance and hines fuelpak....LISTEN TO THIS BIKE RUN.........
Last edited by Slim421; Feb 25, 2014 at 07:33 PM.
Thank you everyone for all the input. From looking, the VH Fuelpack and PC-V are similar units, correct? Another big thing, I'm assuming this is something the average Joe can do in his garage, correct? The tuning part..
Last edited by cronk16; Feb 25, 2014 at 08:15 PM.
Road Master
Joined: Jul 2013
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From: Cali
i think if your looking at the fuel pack and power commander you might want to give the fp3 a try ( assuming you have a smartphone). pricewise its not much more. install should take all of 1 minute. and it has autotune.
Road Captain
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From: Denver
NO! The PC-V lets you tune your bike. The FuelPak lets you basically input a sort of code given to you by VH that is sometimes very wrong. I had a FuelPak and I put my bike on the dyno with the VH supplied settings and I was running dangerously lean (like 15:1) even though the bike seemed to run fine. I would not trust a FuelPak with my engine. V&H does not tell you what the settings mean so you have to keep calling them over and over to get adjustments. You can't just tune out a lean spot because you don't know what anything does and that's how they want it. Although after numerous calls I did figure out a lot of the settings on my own. Very few people who advocate these things seemed to have put their bike on a dyno or used a wideband to see if their bike is actually running right. They "can just tell." Yeah. OK.
It's nothing like the PC-V where the use of the device is intended to be made transparent by DynoJet. The V&H is intended to be secretive. Why would you want a magic box on your bike that you can't do anything with or know anything about without the manufacturer holding your hand?
It's nothing like the PC-V where the use of the device is intended to be made transparent by DynoJet. The V&H is intended to be secretive. Why would you want a magic box on your bike that you can't do anything with or know anything about without the manufacturer holding your hand?
Cruiser
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 146
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From: Warwickshire, england
A PC V can absolutely be adjusted rich enough to get rid of the decel pop.
A less expensive way to go is the Thunder Torque Inserts. Not only will they reduce/eliminate the decel pop, they will increase your low and mid range power for less than $30. Click HERE for more details, including dyno charts.
Here is a good link of an overview of different EFI options-
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/ignit...uning-etc.html
A less expensive way to go is the Thunder Torque Inserts. Not only will they reduce/eliminate the decel pop, they will increase your low and mid range power for less than $30. Click HERE for more details, including dyno charts.
Here is a good link of an overview of different EFI options-
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/ignit...uning-etc.html
I have V&H straight shot slip ons with quiet baffles
Would these help reduce the decel pop (i have stock air cleaner)
Also is there a UK reseller as I imagine postage/customs would cost more than the price of the inserts
Tourer
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 465
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From: Beaverton, OR
NO! The PC-V lets you tune your bike. The FuelPak lets you basically input a sort of code given to you by VH that is sometimes very wrong. I had a FuelPak and I put my bike on the dyno with the VH supplied settings and I was running dangerously lean (like 15:1) even though the bike seemed to run fine. I would not trust a FuelPak with my engine. V&H does not tell you what the settings mean so you have to keep calling them over and over to get adjustments. You can't just tune out a lean spot because you don't know what anything does and that's how they want it. Although after numerous calls I did figure out a lot of the settings on my own. Very few people who advocate these things seemed to have put their bike on a dyno or used a wideband to see if their bike is actually running right. They "can just tell." Yeah. OK.
It's nothing like the PC-V where the use of the device is intended to be made transparent by DynoJet. The V&H is intended to be secretive. Why would you want a magic box on your bike that you can't do anything with or know anything about without the manufacturer holding your hand?
It's nothing like the PC-V where the use of the device is intended to be made transparent by DynoJet. The V&H is intended to be secretive. Why would you want a magic box on your bike that you can't do anything with or know anything about without the manufacturer holding your hand?
I had the Fuel Pack on my 06 Deuce a few years ago and V&H was never able to get me a tune that got my bike to run right. After about 6 months of back and forth I said screw it and got it on a dyno. I currently run a PV on my 13 WG and will never look back. I can log and see EXACTLY what my bike is doing and when. The only other options I would even consider would be a ThunderMax or a Dyno tune with either device. I dont like the Screaming Eagle Race Tuner as all you have is the software on a PC and I dont think you can do any data logging with it while you ride. Sadly this tuner is the ONLY tuner Harley will support and say they know about if you ask. Most Indy shops will tune for PV and Thundermax.
My .2. You spent a good deal of $ on your bike so why risk the life of your motor or the experience of your ride with a low grade tuner? Save some $ for a bit and spend a little more for a good tuner that will tell you what your bike is doing.
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Road Captain
Joined: Mar 2013
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From: Denver
I also have the PV now on my Nightster and planning on getting one for my Street Bob after I hit the 1000 mile service. But I'd say the PC-V is still a decent choice and about a million times better choice than a FuelPak. Even the micro tuner from Fuel Moto is better than the FuelPak and it costs less.
Tourer
Joined: Jul 2013
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From: CT, USA
I called Fuel-Moto and after talking with them awhile decided on the Micro EFI Tuner, as I'll never be doing anything more than a "stage 1". Best of all after telling them my setup, they built and pre-installed a map on the tuner, so its ready to go as soon as its installed and yes the installation seems pretty straight forward.
Service was very fast and the FM customer service is outstanding.
Got too wait a few more weeks until I have the bike out of storage but so far, so good.
http://www.fuelmotousa.com/harley-store.html
Service was very fast and the FM customer service is outstanding.
Got too wait a few more weeks until I have the bike out of storage but so far, so good.
http://www.fuelmotousa.com/harley-store.html