Sound and video of cam start
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It's not that unusual to have problems in the cold weather. The oil gets pretty thick.
I do think there are some issues with the cold start circuit...don't know if the FP3 is capable of dealing with them or not. The pop and die probably is the result of a lean condition on cold starts.
Everything sounds good once warmed up. I don't think you'll do any damage, but you will have to play with the throttle to keep it running on cold starts.
The warm video actually sounds pretty good. Based on that, I think your install was a success. You won't be able to tell how close the tune is until you get some time on the road.
Good luck with V&H and the FP3. I know you are aware that there are some limitations, but hopefully you will be OK for now. It is encouraging that they are willing to work with you.
I do think that you will probably end up changing the tuner at some point. You are pushing the limits on the FP3.
I do think there are some issues with the cold start circuit...don't know if the FP3 is capable of dealing with them or not. The pop and die probably is the result of a lean condition on cold starts.
Everything sounds good once warmed up. I don't think you'll do any damage, but you will have to play with the throttle to keep it running on cold starts.
The warm video actually sounds pretty good. Based on that, I think your install was a success. You won't be able to tell how close the tune is until you get some time on the road.
Good luck with V&H and the FP3. I know you are aware that there are some limitations, but hopefully you will be OK for now. It is encouraging that they are willing to work with you.
I do think that you will probably end up changing the tuner at some point. You are pushing the limits on the FP3.
Shortly afterwards I noticed that I was also receiving a P0108 error code, started to look into that and get any advice possible since I didn't want to worry about damaging the bike. Based on running a few different maps, Jamie from Fuel Moto suggested that the adjusted map with cams might have been corrupted some how and to get back with V&H Customer Support.
Real props go out to Chris from their electronics department who built the maps for me. He went out and played detective, went to the Andrews website and looked at the specs again then realized that when I sent the cam specs I had transposed Intake open with exhaust close numbers. Whoops. He built a new map and uploaded it to me.
I flashed the bike this morning, engine once again at 40 degrees. Started right up with no problems, and no more error codes.
So I wanted to give a nod to V&H and Chris' customer service. I know that a canned map will never be as good as an engine properly tuned by an experienced operator, but as mentioned before this is pushing what the FP3 was (originally) intended for, he's spent a number of hours working with one individual amongst thousands I'm sure. Plus, who knows, the Power Vision, SE's TTS's, etc of the world also had limitations at one point, it seems like V&H is working on removing some of their own.
I hope to be a good guinea pig for them in the meantime since they constantly update the product and its abilities. Can't wait to get back out there and ride. Perhaps this weekend if only for a brief interlude between work!
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Just a quick update to this thread...
Shortly afterwards I noticed that I was also receiving a P0108 error code, started to look into that and get any advice possible since I didn't want to worry about damaging the bike. Based on running a few different maps, Jamie from Fuel Moto suggested that the adjusted map with cams might have been corrupted some how and to get back with V&H Customer Support.
Real props go out to Chris from their electronics department who built the maps for me. He went out and played detective, went to the Andrews website and looked at the specs again then realized that when I sent the cam specs I had transposed Intake open with exhaust close numbers. Whoops. He built a new map and uploaded it to me.
I flashed the bike this morning, engine once again at 40 degrees. Started right up with no problems, and no more error codes.
So I wanted to give a nod to V&H and Chris' customer service. I know that a canned map will never be as good as an engine properly tuned by an experienced operator, but as mentioned before this is pushing what the FP3 was (originally) intended for, he's spent a number of hours working with one individual amongst thousands I'm sure. Plus, who knows, the Power Vision, SE's TTS's, etc of the world also had limitations at one point, it seems like V&H is working on removing some of their own.
I hope to be a good guinea pig for them in the meantime since they constantly update the product and its abilities. Can't wait to get back out there and ride. Perhaps this weekend if only for a brief interlude between work!
Shortly afterwards I noticed that I was also receiving a P0108 error code, started to look into that and get any advice possible since I didn't want to worry about damaging the bike. Based on running a few different maps, Jamie from Fuel Moto suggested that the adjusted map with cams might have been corrupted some how and to get back with V&H Customer Support.
Real props go out to Chris from their electronics department who built the maps for me. He went out and played detective, went to the Andrews website and looked at the specs again then realized that when I sent the cam specs I had transposed Intake open with exhaust close numbers. Whoops. He built a new map and uploaded it to me.
I flashed the bike this morning, engine once again at 40 degrees. Started right up with no problems, and no more error codes.
So I wanted to give a nod to V&H and Chris' customer service. I know that a canned map will never be as good as an engine properly tuned by an experienced operator, but as mentioned before this is pushing what the FP3 was (originally) intended for, he's spent a number of hours working with one individual amongst thousands I'm sure. Plus, who knows, the Power Vision, SE's TTS's, etc of the world also had limitations at one point, it seems like V&H is working on removing some of their own.
I hope to be a good guinea pig for them in the meantime since they constantly update the product and its abilities. Can't wait to get back out there and ride. Perhaps this weekend if only for a brief interlude between work!
If the fuel and fire is right, cold weather shouldn't keep a bike from starting provided the battery is up to snuff. Glad to hear your problem solved and the support you go from V&H. The FP3 is their new tuner and it is encouraging to know that the support effort is strong.
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Good news and thanks for the update. I didn't say anything earlier but my the all bore 107" motor (carbureted) will start at 40* or 30*; living in south Texas that's as cold as it gets in my garage. The motor may turn over an extra time or two with the thicker oil, may be a bit noisy and may take longer to warm up but has never failed to start and run in cold weather. The '05 96" softail is EFI and doesn't seem to know or care what the ambient temps are; never fails to start.
If the fuel and fire is right, cold weather shouldn't keep a bike from starting provided the battery is up to snuff. Glad to hear your problem solved and the support you go from V&H. The FP3 is their new tuner and it is encouraging to know that the support effort is strong.
If the fuel and fire is right, cold weather shouldn't keep a bike from starting provided the battery is up to snuff. Glad to hear your problem solved and the support you go from V&H. The FP3 is their new tuner and it is encouraging to know that the support effort is strong.
You're right, it's encouraging to know how hard they work to support their product. Every time I plug in I see a new update or a new table. In speaking with them it is apparently their intention to have downloadable maps that include popular aftermarket cam choices. Moving in the right direction is always a plus to me!
Thanks again DJL, your help is always appreciated
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Good to hear things are working out! Cant wait to hear back how once you have a chance to take it out and play around a bit.
I have everything to get my 57h install going minus the bearing tool & TTS. Not in a huge hurry as there is no way Ill be riding soon due to weather & I think it would be worse to do it now and then just have to wait 2-3 months anyways. Also still kicking around the head work & trying to come up with a way to do it at the same time.
Anyways following your build and progress very exciting!
I have everything to get my 57h install going minus the bearing tool & TTS. Not in a huge hurry as there is no way Ill be riding soon due to weather & I think it would be worse to do it now and then just have to wait 2-3 months anyways. Also still kicking around the head work & trying to come up with a way to do it at the same time.
Anyways following your build and progress very exciting!
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Good to hear things are working out! Cant wait to hear back how once you have a chance to take it out and play around a bit.
I have everything to get my 57h install going minus the bearing tool & TTS. Not in a huge hurry as there is no way Ill be riding soon due to weather & I think it would be worse to do it now and then just have to wait 2-3 months anyways. Also still kicking around the head work & trying to come up with a way to do it at the same time.
Anyways following your build and progress very exciting!
I have everything to get my 57h install going minus the bearing tool & TTS. Not in a huge hurry as there is no way Ill be riding soon due to weather & I think it would be worse to do it now and then just have to wait 2-3 months anyways. Also still kicking around the head work & trying to come up with a way to do it at the same time.
Anyways following your build and progress very exciting!
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Good to hear things are working out! Cant wait to hear back how once you have a chance to take it out and play around a bit.
I have everything to get my 57h install going minus the bearing tool & TTS. Not in a huge hurry as there is no way Ill be riding soon due to weather & I think it would be worse to do it now and then just have to wait 2-3 months anyways. Also still kicking around the head work & trying to come up with a way to do it at the same time.
Anyways following your build and progress very exciting!
I have everything to get my 57h install going minus the bearing tool & TTS. Not in a huge hurry as there is no way Ill be riding soon due to weather & I think it would be worse to do it now and then just have to wait 2-3 months anyways. Also still kicking around the head work & trying to come up with a way to do it at the same time.
Anyways following your build and progress very exciting!
For the bearing tool, keep your eye on the classifieds. I bought mine via ebay for $99 with free shipping from Heartland, you can get it direct for $94 but they add shipping which brings it up a couple of bucks from the ebay price. Going rate here is around $80 or so and you have doofus' like me who use it the one time and then sell.
Good luck and looking forward to your thread when you start! I'll post results of first test ride when I can. I actually drove it up and down my street this morning in 19deg weather. Good fun
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I have been wondering about the base map & saw some posting of the woods 555 may be a starting place. This has just been in passing and havent specifically started digging into that side of it yet. I know there are some pretty deep rabbit holes on the ECM page & so far have had my hands full with finalizing my build sheet & threads from that perspective. I know very little of the TTS at this point and wanted to educate myself a bit before asking any questions. hehe
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Thanks for the kind words and great to hear that you're still going in that direction! I agree, the waiting to get out there once work is complete is pretty rough. I keep finding projects to keep me going but finances are now depleted MC wise! Ended up doing the cams, and front end, as well as popping in some CD LED turn signals. Not to mention I had to buy a tool set to get started.
For the bearing tool, keep your eye on the classifieds. I bought mine via ebay for $99 with free shipping from Heartland, you can get it direct for $94 but they add shipping which brings it up a couple of bucks from the ebay price. Going rate here is around $80 or so and you have doofus' like me who use it the one time and then sell.
Good luck and looking forward to your thread when you start! I'll post results of first test ride when I can. I actually drove it up and down my street this morning in 19deg weather. Good fun
For the bearing tool, keep your eye on the classifieds. I bought mine via ebay for $99 with free shipping from Heartland, you can get it direct for $94 but they add shipping which brings it up a couple of bucks from the ebay price. Going rate here is around $80 or so and you have doofus' like me who use it the one time and then sell.
Good luck and looking forward to your thread when you start! I'll post results of first test ride when I can. I actually drove it up and down my street this morning in 19deg weather. Good fun
I like the new tool w/window and will watch for one, thanks for the tip. If you think about getting rid of yours just PM me.
Yeah I'm certainly excited about it and will post the good, bad, and ugly.
As far as riding up & down the street, thats a ways out for me.
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Yeah seems like you had a pretty good list going... so many things to do and certainly limited funds.
I like the new tool w/window and will watch for one, thanks for the tip. If you think about getting rid of yours just PM me.
Yeah I'm certainly excited about it and will post the good, bad, and ugly.
As far as riding up & down the street, thats a ways out for me.
I like the new tool w/window and will watch for one, thanks for the tip. If you think about getting rid of yours just PM me.
Yeah I'm certainly excited about it and will post the good, bad, and ugly.
As far as riding up & down the street, thats a ways out for me.
Similar here with less snow but deep cold.
We used to live and still own a home in Leadville, CO I barely got 3 mths of riding a year and even in summer mornings to work could be pretty chilly!
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