Low - Mid Cam Choice for 103
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Thanks for everyone's input. I think for now I'm going to find a local place to have a full tune done. I'm running an FP3 currently and I don't know, but I think the tune isn't all it can be. Any recommended tuners in the northeast NJ area?
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Depending on things either a TTS, PV or DL are all much better options for your case . If you are a fiddler and like to try to tune stuff yourself and don't care that you'll never get it right, LOL, the PV is the most end user friendly. The TTS is what many many many professional tuners will recommend. The Direct Link that Scott referenced, I believe , you just buy the "key" at less than half the price of buying a tuner. The shop then tunes your bike and should give your "key" and a flash drive with your original tune and your current tune. You can go to any DL shop and get your bike tuned. You pay the DL shop for their labor. It's getting more popular everyday. If I have it wrong I apologize and I hope someone chimes in and sets me straight on the DL.
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How long would a tune take? I think you're about 3 hours from me. Also, ballpark on cost?
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Maybe I missed this info:
- What exhaust are you running?
- What mufflers?
Definitely replace the FP3
Having the proper mufflers will provide more low end tq, especially with a tune. Crusher Mellows, Fatshotz, Fullsac baffles (louder then the other two mentioned).
Rather then changing out cams, spend the money on mufflers and tuner. The tuner needs to be replaced anyway. Maybe mufflers too, depending on what you have. Consider TTS or PV. Lots of 57 maps for both of these tuners.
Stock decatted header and FM Jackpot mufflers getting 95tq @ 2500 rpm. The diff of another 5tq at 2500 rpms is something that would not be obvious by sop. What Im sayin is, dont chase numbers too much. Unless of course, it matters to you and you have money to spend.
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- What exhaust are you running?
- What mufflers?
Definitely replace the FP3
Having the proper mufflers will provide more low end tq, especially with a tune. Crusher Mellows, Fatshotz, Fullsac baffles (louder then the other two mentioned).
Rather then changing out cams, spend the money on mufflers and tuner. The tuner needs to be replaced anyway. Maybe mufflers too, depending on what you have. Consider TTS or PV. Lots of 57 maps for both of these tuners.
Stock decatted header and FM Jackpot mufflers getting 95tq @ 2500 rpm. The diff of another 5tq at 2500 rpms is something that would not be obvious by sop. What Im sayin is, dont chase numbers too much. Unless of course, it matters to you and you have money to spend.
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Maybe I missed this info:
- What exhaust are you running?
- What mufflers?
Definitely replace the FP3
Having the proper mufflers will provide more low end tq, especially with a tune. Crusher Mellows, Fatshotz, Fullsac baffles (louder then the other two mentioned).
Rather then changing out cams, spend the money on mufflers and tuner. The tuner needs to be replaced anyway. Maybe mufflers too, depending on what you have. Consider TTS or PV. Lots of 57 maps for both of these tuners.
Stock decatted header and FM Jackpot mufflers getting 95tq @ 2500 rpm. The diff of another 5tq at 2500 rpms is something that would not be obvious by sop. What Im sayin is, dont chase numbers too much. Unless of course, it matters to you and you have money to spend.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/attac...-img_2967a.jpg
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- What exhaust are you running?
- What mufflers?
Definitely replace the FP3
Having the proper mufflers will provide more low end tq, especially with a tune. Crusher Mellows, Fatshotz, Fullsac baffles (louder then the other two mentioned).
Rather then changing out cams, spend the money on mufflers and tuner. The tuner needs to be replaced anyway. Maybe mufflers too, depending on what you have. Consider TTS or PV. Lots of 57 maps for both of these tuners.
Stock decatted header and FM Jackpot mufflers getting 95tq @ 2500 rpm. The diff of another 5tq at 2500 rpms is something that would not be obvious by sop. What Im sayin is, dont chase numbers too much. Unless of course, it matters to you and you have money to spend.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/attac...-img_2967a.jpg
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I'm betting one could really feel the difference off the line between these two setups.
As KumaRide says, get rid of the FP3....
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While the exhaust can have a positive effect on the low end torque, the camshafts are the deciding factor in how much torque an engine is actually capable of building, and at what rpm. Here's a dyno chart that compares the 57H cam with a cr570 cam. In both instances the bike had Vance & Hines Power Duals, Kuryakin Street Sleeper III ac, and a .030 head gasket, dynotuned with a Powervision. Around 10 lb/ft more torque at 2k rpm, with only a couple of horsepower lost at the top:
I'm betting one could really feel the difference off the line between these two setups.
As KumaRide says, get rid of the FP3....
I'm betting one could really feel the difference off the line between these two setups.
As KumaRide says, get rid of the FP3....
Agreed. But I am looking at it from the "best bang for the buck" perspective and taking a methodical approach. He would need a tuner anyway, and possibly mufflers also. Then if its not enough for him, then cams. If not enough, then headpipe? Its only money...
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Maybe I missed this info:
- What exhaust are you running?
- What mufflers?
Definitely replace the FP3
Having the proper mufflers will provide more low end tq, especially with a tune. Crusher Mellows, Fatshotz, Fullsac baffles (louder then the other two mentioned).
Rather then changing out cams, spend the money on mufflers and tuner. The tuner needs to be replaced anyway. Maybe mufflers too, depending on what you have. Consider TTS or PV. Lots of 57 maps for both of these tuners.
Stock decatted header and FM Jackpot mufflers getting 95tq @ 2500 rpm. The diff of another 5tq at 2500 rpms is something that would not be obvious by sop. What Im sayin is, dont chase numbers too much. Unless of course, it matters to you and you have money to spend.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/attac...-img_2967a.jpg
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- What exhaust are you running?
- What mufflers?
Definitely replace the FP3
Having the proper mufflers will provide more low end tq, especially with a tune. Crusher Mellows, Fatshotz, Fullsac baffles (louder then the other two mentioned).
Rather then changing out cams, spend the money on mufflers and tuner. The tuner needs to be replaced anyway. Maybe mufflers too, depending on what you have. Consider TTS or PV. Lots of 57 maps for both of these tuners.
Stock decatted header and FM Jackpot mufflers getting 95tq @ 2500 rpm. The diff of another 5tq at 2500 rpms is something that would not be obvious by sop. What Im sayin is, dont chase numbers too much. Unless of course, it matters to you and you have money to spend.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/attac...-img_2967a.jpg
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Running V&H Pro Pipe. I'd rather not spend money on another exhaust. For the cost of any incremental gains, I'd rather just get the bike professionally tuned. I don't think I'm giving up all that much in the exhaust.