Engine Growth....
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super +1 mr. max
i run the s&s limiters with rivera adjustables. they are adjusted to just quite the limiters, estimated stem clearance is .030 cold. one thing you MUST consider is NOT letting the lifter cup hit the retaining clip!!
i can crank it and take off, no worries about lifter being devoid of oil and i can take it to the 7.5k ign limiter and not worry about pump up.
way cheaper than hydro-solid lifters.
you must allow the valve to seat on the head for obvious reasons.
there were not many issues with the old hd solids, my ch never suffered and it too from the moco was 7.5k redline. it was rode and put up wet tooooo many times to shake a stick at.
all said and done, if you are just a street machine, no advantage getting away from stock. even then, there would not be much power to be gained.
i run the s&s limiters with rivera adjustables. they are adjusted to just quite the limiters, estimated stem clearance is .030 cold. one thing you MUST consider is NOT letting the lifter cup hit the retaining clip!!
i can crank it and take off, no worries about lifter being devoid of oil and i can take it to the 7.5k ign limiter and not worry about pump up.
way cheaper than hydro-solid lifters.
you must allow the valve to seat on the head for obvious reasons.
there were not many issues with the old hd solids, my ch never suffered and it too from the moco was 7.5k redline. it was rode and put up wet tooooo many times to shake a stick at.
all said and done, if you are just a street machine, no advantage getting away from stock. even then, there would not be much power to be gained.
Motor is a stroked Evo @ 96"
Cam was a custom ground Woods from a W6H base.
Obviously the valve bottomed out in the relief, no sign of hitting the edge of the relief when I took off the top end to inspect. Using custom milled Axtell 30* pistons..
I really did think the only thing that could cause it was valve float but like I said the Springs were brand new.. Installed with stage III headwork.
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I never checked the valve to piston or valve to valve.. it was set up by hillside, I believe .060".. as for the oil pressure I have an S&S HVHP pump..
When the motor was initially set up it was set up with a Woods 9B that has more lift atTDC and more overall lift so by going to the other cam I didn't think it would be an issue...
When the motor was initially set up it was set up with a Woods 9B that has more lift atTDC and more overall lift so by going to the other cam I didn't think it would be an issue...
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I've been to Harley Davidson training many times , HDU , York Technical institute , Fairview college , and a few others for a ton of courses . I'm old so I cant remember when or which course but I do remember thermal growth being discussed in class . It was when Evo's were still being made . The number was .040" of growth , how true or accurate that is ? not sure I've never tried to measure it . ...............
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I never checked the valve to piston or valve to valve.. it was set up by hillside, I believe .060".. as for the oil pressure I have an S&S HVHP pump..
When the motor was initially set up it was set up with a Woods 9B that has more lift atTDC and more overall lift so by going to the other cam I didn't think it would be an issue...
When the motor was initially set up it was set up with a Woods 9B that has more lift atTDC and more overall lift so by going to the other cam I didn't think it would be an issue...
So hillside did the whole motor for you?
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Which valve hit?
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What part of the motor is aluminum, that you are concerned about?
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Yes, because the Pistons had to be milled and the combustion Chambers needed to be opened up with the valve seats moved deeper into the head to get the necessary clearance of valve to piston with the 9b cam. Not exactly sure which valve or valves hit.. There was no evidence when I tore it down..
When I did a test hit (motor warmed up) I was taken by surprise how quickly the motor revved in first gear then came the clacking of the valve train.. I heard a definite metallic tap and then the clacking. I pulled over and shut it off.. I was a little ways from the shop, so I started it back up and by the time I got back to the shop the clacking decreased dramatically.. If I can remember at that point I went with the Fueling short travel race lifters.. I believe I was told that the total piston travel was .123" and to set preload to .68".. Ran those for a while but never really could get them to quiet down.. I switched back to the S&S and no issues but I never did take the motor up beyond 6K after that..
Cylinder growth but the funny thing is cast iron sleeves and aluminum expand at different rates.. So how would one calculate that.. Aluminum has twice the expansion rate of iron..
When I did a test hit (motor warmed up) I was taken by surprise how quickly the motor revved in first gear then came the clacking of the valve train.. I heard a definite metallic tap and then the clacking. I pulled over and shut it off.. I was a little ways from the shop, so I started it back up and by the time I got back to the shop the clacking decreased dramatically.. If I can remember at that point I went with the Fueling short travel race lifters.. I believe I was told that the total piston travel was .123" and to set preload to .68".. Ran those for a while but never really could get them to quiet down.. I switched back to the S&S and no issues but I never did take the motor up beyond 6K after that..
Cylinder growth but the funny thing is cast iron sleeves and aluminum expand at different rates.. So how would one calculate that.. Aluminum has twice the expansion rate of iron..
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So I guess the big question is do I install the limiters in each lifter and then as per S&S bottom out the lifter and back off one full turn and leave it there. Then just enjoy what I have..