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Old Apr 11, 2022 | 06:32 PM
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Please weigh and post; lets compare your weights with 60Gunner's; should be the same. I am surprised that the 103 piston assemblies are lighter than a stock TC88; I expected them to be heavier.
I noticed that too. Be better to weigh them all on the same scale but I doubt any of them are that far off. I borrowed my neighbor's digital with a max of 2lbs. I'm sure it's awful damn close to dead on.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2022 | 06:35 PM
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[QUOTE=60Gunner;20553333]I noticed that too. Be better to weigh them all on the same scale but I doubt any of them are that far off. I borrowed my neighbor's digital with a max of 2lbs. I'm sure it's awful damn close to dead on.[/QUO

I suspect the difference is in the skirt; full skirt on the TC88/95 piston but not on the 103 piston. Where's Max when we need him.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2022 | 06:38 PM
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I noticed that too. Be better to weigh them all on the same scale but I doubt any of them are that far off. I borrowed my neighbor's digital with a max of 2lbs. I'm sure it's awful damn close to dead on.[/QUO

I suspect the difference is in the skirt; full skirt on the TC88/95 piston but not on the 103 piston. Where's Max when we need him.
And/or lighter wrist pin weight? Wrist pins are 128g.
What are the wisecos? CP 3cc? Anyone know off hand?
I thought most newer pistons are all suppose to be close enough just for this reason. Not everyone does cranks. Manufacturers can make up differences with the weight of the wrist pins, etc. Maybe not all of them do?
 

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Old Apr 11, 2022 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 60Gunner
With the rings only they are 401g each. With rings, wrist pin, and circlips they are 530g each.
I haven't rode mine yet but dyno'd it Thursday and smooth as could be. New S&S crank balanced for the new pistons and balance assembly tho.
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Thanks for weighing them. Now I just need to find out what the Wiseco weighs. If I have to I might pull the front cylinder over the weekend. I will probably pull the cam chest apart and double check the runout. Crank could have shifted but it would have had to do it on the first ride and I didn't even turn it past 3000 rpm. But if I have to pull it apart I'm going to check everything.
 
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Old Apr 11, 2022 | 08:50 PM
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Thanks for weighing them. Now I just need to find out what the Wiseco weighs. If I have to I might pull the front cylinder over the weekend. I will probably pull the cam chest apart and double check the runout. Crank could have shifted but it would have had to do it on the first ride and I didn't even turn it past 3000 rpm. But if I have to pull it apart I'm going to check everything.
I suspect something other than piston weIght but I know Don had the issue at one-time so Idk. Gotta be off by quite a bit I suspect. I'm thinking you're around 540ish.
Have you checked the motor mounts? What did you all do in this build drivetrain related?
 

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Old Apr 12, 2022 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by djl
Please weigh and post; lets compare your weights with 60Gunner's; should be the same. I am surprised that the 103 piston assemblies are lighter than a stock TC88; I expected them to be heavier.
I'll try and weigh them after work. Currius myself now. My 107 is realy smooth running with the cp pistons and s&s crank.
definitely need to figure out the vibration. It's not a shovel
 
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Old Apr 12, 2022 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 60Gunner
I suspect something other than piston weIght but I know Don had the issue at one-time so Idk. Gotta be off by quite a bit I suspect. I'm thinking you're around 540ish.
Have you checked the motor mounts? What did you all do in this build drivetrain related?
If you refer back to my first post, I went over everything. It is not motor mounts, exhaust or anything else hitting the frame. This issue was there first test ride on new 107 build it is in the engine. Everything in the drive train is as it was last year except the new compensator that I just put in to see if it would fix the vibration. It either has to be a balance issue or the crank shifted which I find quite unlikely since I checked it when it was apart and it checked .0015. I did not turn it past 3000 RPM on the first ride. Could the crank slip, sure anything is possible but seems unlikely. I will however check run out this weekend as it looks like I will be tearing back into it.
 
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Old Apr 12, 2022 | 11:36 AM
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If you look at the SnS catalog for pistons weights under the crank section they balance to 1230g (both pistons) for early TCs and 1035 for 06 dyna and 07 up .

IIRC I got 596 with early stock and something like 520 with late. I can measure and late 103 and get back.

My question to OP would be does the bike vibrate at a particular RPM or does it get worse as the Rs go up?

Was anything else done at the tome of the upgrade? Primary? Exhaust? Intake? Has the bike been tuned?
 
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Originally Posted by wilburbill
If you refer back to my first post, I went over everything. It is not motor mounts, exhaust or anything else hitting the frame. This issue was there first test ride on new 107 build it is in the engine. Everything in the drive train is as it was last year except the new compensator that I just put in to see if it would fix the vibration. It either has to be a balance issue or the crank shifted which I find quite unlikely since I checked it when it was apart and it checked .0015. I did not turn it past 3000 RPM on the first ride. Could the crank slip, sure anything is possible but seems unlikely. I will however check run out this weekend as it looks like I will be tearing back into it.
No I doubt the crank scissored either if it wasn't before. I just don't see your piston weights being off that much but then I have no idea how much is too much. I found wiseco 1450s @ 10.5 last night and they're like 539g or 549g. Don't remember which. Don's were off over 100g (17%.)
 
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The 103 piston I have weighs 532 grams. (inc pin rings and clips).

" Don't remember which. Don's were off over 100g "

So Dorfmans pistons were 632?
 
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