Over in your neck of the woods, I would NOT take it to any dealer for a tune. ( I know for a fact, one of the dealers up there tune for ****). Wouldn't take it anywhere in Maine, either.

The advice of getting a TTS or PV is a sound one. TTS has a few more features... I recommend TTS with high output builds... but a PV from Fuelmoto sounds like it would be the fix for you with that Stage 2 bike. I recommend you go this route. Jamie is simply sure to have a decent starting calibration for you to use, being you went with 48s. This can not only get you up and running right now... but it would be a relatively safe tune for your bike, too.

Once you get close to being 'dialed in'... you WILL love those 48s! Good Job!!!!!

Thanks Ranchodeluxe for the Stage1 info. That fits right in what we are seeing on the Dyno.... but was never really sure. Had an 06 Dyna up on the wheel... and for the base tugs, it did not seem lean at all. Go figure. I thought it was a fluke.

 

I was not aware of the change to the Stage I flash and fuel; thanks for the update.

 

Oh ya, a little more background, the old stage one cal, when you used to be able to get the cartridge download and later when it went on Digital Tech. was listed in the SE Perf catalog with "checkered flag" noting it was a "race "part and not homologated for the street. Now, it's listed as a "street-legal" cal. That tells all one needs to know.

 

Thanks Kirby, I can use some advise there! Also, I didn't mean to imply that I'm even half the man that Pete is, even at 82. That guy rules!

 

Sorry to sound stupid here, but whats a PV? And TTS? Power Commander 5?

 

TTS is The Turbo Shop and sells the MAstertune suite of software to flash tune a bike. Remember SERT? That was also built by TTS. TTS today is the vastly improved old SERT. Way better tool that the present day Harley SESPT.

PV is Power Vision. Made by Dynojet. It is a flash tuner, also. PC3 or PC5 is a box (also made by Dynojet) that plugs into the wiring harness between the bike and the ECU. It basically 'fools' the ECU into thinking conditions are different that what they really are, and in this manner, can add fuel or timing.

If dealing with EFI, I recommend a TTS for anything that is making some power. Here is why.

I have seen and played with the Delphi 'tuner' that calibrators set up the stock cals with... so for example... timing is gear dependent. On flash tuners, all we get is main table timing that is global for all gears. With me? So... how a flash tuner deals with this is now called a hidden setting. Much like settings for when cruise control will kick out at 85mph. See?

So... PV is not a true base calibration. It changes NO hidden settings. There are 20 some tables it can pull out of the ECU, alter, and shoot back into the ECU... but all of these 'hidden setting' stay totally stock. The base calibrations from a TTS or the Harley product SESPT, can alter the hidden settings, the MOCO product does not do so. So... TTS prides itself on how it alters all of these hidden settings... they minimize torque control, cruise works at 100 mph, etc. Once can even change where the MAP sensor reads... right before the valve opens I guess is the spot. It is called the cam tool in TTS.

With a simple Stage 2 build? PV is a nice tool and seems to be a bit more friendly to the masses. Jamie from Fuel moto would sell you a PV with a base map that closely matches what you have on your bike. TTS or SEPST cannot do that. All tuners will need some DIY 'road tuning' to pull in the map to better match the bike, but starting out... the PV will match closer. This helps the guys that don't grasp what tuning is all about and allows minimal 'tuning' to get a good running bike.

How this works, how all flash tuners work... plug the bike's data port into a PV or a laptop and you can download a totally different state of tune into the bike. A tune from Jamie will have close to what fuel and timing you will need, and IMHO, you could stop right there. That can be a real plus.

With a TTS and SEPST? One needs to do some actual tuning work. Go on the road and gather data and make new maps. The maps are not so defined as to pipes, etc. One has to PAY for those completely new base cals from TTS... in the work involved. Big engines... this 'work' is a given, or should be.

I recommend you call Jamie at FuelMoto, he can tell you more.

EFI questions? Ask away.

 

Aesome info!

Thanks again!!

I'm starting to make some headway here! Haha!