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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 09:24 AM
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Hey guys, looking for some knowledge.

Just installed Andrews 48s in my 2009 Streetglide, prior to cams bike is stock with stage 1 upgrade including Stage 1 flash and Klockwerks slip on mufflers.

I know the bike should be tuned and needs to be tuned but I'm wondering if I can ride it till I get it tuned?

Will the stage 1 flash be sufficient to keep it from running too lean?

I've heard arguments both ways, just trying to be sure so as not to do any damage before I get it tuned.

I know I can do a plug check and I will but I'm curious if anyone else has any experience with this setup???

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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 10:34 AM
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You are living dangerously, as all the Stage one cal does is up the rev limit, there is no timing, or fuel manipulation with stage one. You can safely do factory slip-ons or air box, not both and definitely not with altered cam specs. Spend the coin to tune the bike.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 10:47 AM
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Really? I was under the impression that it was more than that.

I do plan to tune the bike, it's not the money it a matter of where I have to get to have it done and when they'll be able to do it.

If I can't get it in till May or June, I just can't let my bike sit if the weather is nice!

I'm still looking into the tune deal, but trying to make a plan.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 12:37 PM
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Really? I was under the impression that it was more than that.

I do plan to tune the bike, it's not the money it a matter of where I have to get to have it done and when they'll be able to do it.

If I can't get it in till May or June, I just can't let my bike sit if the weather is nice!

I'm still looking into the tune deal, but trying to make a plan.
Just get a tuner from TTR or the H-D Super Tuner that allows you to install a base map, then build a custom one based on your riding conditions. I know dyno tuning is great, but I feel it's unnecessary for a lot of folks who just need to add some fuel and timing for minor mods. Now you have something to work with when a dyno tune is in your budget. Hope this helps
 
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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 01:10 PM
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Thanks for the advice!
 
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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rusty289
Really? I was under the impression that it was more than that.

I do plan to tune the bike, it's not the money it a matter of where I have to get to have it done and when they'll be able to do it.

If I can't get it in till May or June, I just can't let my bike sit if the weather is nice!

I'm still looking into the tune deal, but trying to make a plan.
You can get a Dynojet Power Vision flash tuner from Fuel Moto for less than the cost of a good dynotune . Fuel Moto will provide a map for your set-up with the tuner and provide any tech support you need, an you can run autotune on the PV to adjust the tune while you ride.

No waiting for an appointment and great results.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 04:07 PM
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Unless things have change in the last few years, the Stage 1 flash does add some fuel and bump the rev limit from 5800-6200; no timing asjustments but timing would have to be waaaaaaay off to make a difference.

Depends on how long you plan to wait to dyno tune? a week? month? year? I think you will be fine if the wait is not a long one.

I would also suggest that unless you plan to upgrade performance in the future, i.e., higher compression, cams other than mild bolt in units or headwork, consider the Dobeck GEN3 TFI. Cheaper than TTS, PV, SERT, SEST, etc., easy install, great customer service and DIY tuning. Even if you add a set of mild bolt in cams, the Dobeck unit will accomodate that upgrade. Just another way to skin the cat and JMHO.
 
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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 05:42 PM
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the stageI dose add fuel,no timing.check your plugs,if it runs OK and the plugs arnt stone white,you`ll be fine for a while (instead of dynoing,getting a mapped PC-V from fuel moto is good advice)
 
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Old Mar 12, 2014 | 10:35 PM
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the stageI dose add fuel,no timing.check your plugs,if it runs OK and the plugs arnt stone white,you`ll be fine for a while (instead of dynoing,getting a mapped PC-V from fuel moto is good advice)
In 07 the Stage one cal was revised and only turned up the rev limit. It's not something that was advertised, for obvious reasons. I used to work with the cal guys. In the previous Stage 1 cal, you could get away with much more as it used to add fuel and timing and it was pretty friendly. Take it for what it's worth, there's a lot I don't know, and a little I do.

I'm learning a lot from you guys as years on the supply side left me without much passion for the current product. Then I stumbled on the Vintage Fuel Bike thread on this forum and saw Pete rode to Bonnie on his FXR, then hauled *** down the salt on Wink's ride. I thought if Pete can do it at 82 I can do it at 50. Now I have a Nungesser hi-gear bike on one lift and a 9 sec XL on the other. I guess the sickness never totally abandons you.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2014 | 06:50 AM
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didn't know that about the flash,I saw the post on the nungasser motor on another forum,feel free to give me a call if you want with questions about cams & such.386-873-4427
 
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