Why Is There No Evo's?
Road Warrior
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From: nj
It's funny that this subject is here. I went to the dealer to purhase some parts and I saw a new low rider there and the dealer ask if was interested. I said just looking and he then questioned me if I ride and I said yes a 98 superglide. I told him that I would have to trade my bike in and then he said I would do better to sell on my own then trade her in. Well my bike is very clean an no leaks and I told him that bike there is no way that I would give her upanyway. He wasdn't interested in the evo anyway
Road Warrior
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From: nj
It's funny that this subject is here. I went to the dealer to purhase some parts and I saw a new low rider there and the dealer ask if was interested. I said just looking and he then questioned me if I ride and I said yes a 98 superglide. I told him that I would have to trade my bike in and then he said I would do better to sell on my own then trade her in. Well my bike is very clean an no leaks and I told him that bike there is no way that I would give her upanyway. He wasn't interested in the evo anyway
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Cruiser
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From: Northern Wisconsin
I have no doubt you'd do better selling it yourself than trading it. That's usually the case because dealerships have to make money to stay in business.
I suspect it depends on what you trade it on too, as to how much they will give you for it. Trade it on a CVO and you'll probably get premium price for it on a trade because they'll hose you big time on the new one.
But I think our dealer is on a big push to move as many 2016's as they can so they're taking anything in trade. They typically won't take a metric bike. But I seen 'em take one of these newer Triumphs in on trade on a '16 Ultra Limited last week. Don't know much about those Triumphs, or even know about the models of them, but I don't think they're big sellers. But they took it anyway to sell that '16.
I suspect it depends on what you trade it on too, as to how much they will give you for it. Trade it on a CVO and you'll probably get premium price for it on a trade because they'll hose you big time on the new one.
But I think our dealer is on a big push to move as many 2016's as they can so they're taking anything in trade. They typically won't take a metric bike. But I seen 'em take one of these newer Triumphs in on trade on a '16 Ultra Limited last week. Don't know much about those Triumphs, or even know about the models of them, but I don't think they're big sellers. But they took it anyway to sell that '16.
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From: Bedford UK
The reason the MoCo has gone to 'wet-heads' IMHO is to lower exhaust temperatures to improve rider comfort, in response to the higher temps that current emissions effectively impose.
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But still, it's the principal of easy launch with the Harley with gobs of torque on tap simply by letting out the clutch and grabbing a handful of throttle. An sportbike rider in that same situation has to learn how to use the clutch as a torque converter to make things happen, and it takes lots of practice to get it right.
I agree, but current liter bikes make over 80 ft-lbs torque at 4000 rpms. Have you ever tried to race one via a roll-on? These bikes do make a lot of low end torque, especially when you consider they make over 100 ft-lbs of torque from 6000 to 10000 rpms. Keep in mind these bikes are also lighter than the typical Harley.
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What's all this nonsense of comparing Harleys with sports bikes? Apples and Pears, so leave them in their distinct groups. Yes I've chased and occasionally beaten other riders on their sports bikes, on my Glide, but that has nothing to do with better performance. I have particularly fond memories of chasing a big Kwaka for many miles before putting him down!
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From: Northern Wisconsin
Yeah. Hearing about Harleys being 1940's technology sometimes gets old.
I think the Waterheads are going to make their way into all the Big Twin models eventually. I don't know how Harley is going to hide the radiator on models without fairing or lowers. They do make a couple models that are more metric design - the V-rod and Street 500/750. At the open house and test rides they had a demo Street 750 and nobody even looked at it. It never moved that I seen. The Big Twins and Sporties were the models that got all the attention.
I know for myself, when I approach one of those Street models, seeing the radiator hanging on the front of it is an immediate turn-off. And apparently, judging by how much attention it got from other folks, they look at it the same way I do.
So lets say Harley brings the Super Glide back, which has always been one of my favorite Dyna models. And let's say, just for giggles, it has the Twin-Cooled Waterhead with a radiator hanging on the front of it. I'd sure like to hear the sales pitch on that one because they wouldn't get me to me to buy it.
I think the Waterheads are going to make their way into all the Big Twin models eventually. I don't know how Harley is going to hide the radiator on models without fairing or lowers. They do make a couple models that are more metric design - the V-rod and Street 500/750. At the open house and test rides they had a demo Street 750 and nobody even looked at it. It never moved that I seen. The Big Twins and Sporties were the models that got all the attention.
I know for myself, when I approach one of those Street models, seeing the radiator hanging on the front of it is an immediate turn-off. And apparently, judging by how much attention it got from other folks, they look at it the same way I do.
So lets say Harley brings the Super Glide back, which has always been one of my favorite Dyna models. And let's say, just for giggles, it has the Twin-Cooled Waterhead with a radiator hanging on the front of it. I'd sure like to hear the sales pitch on that one because they wouldn't get me to me to buy it.
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It's hard to say. We test rode a '16 Ultra Limited a week ago. The numbers they shot us on a trade deal last week was $6,800 for our '86 in trade. I suspect they'd give us that for it to move a '16 and make their money on that and move our '86 thru inventory at zero profit. We qualified for their financing program and could've left there with the '16 Limited harnessed with $353/month payments on it.
So I don't think it's a thing where they're past the point of being dealer material, because they would give us what I thought was a fairly good price for it.
But we didn't go for it even though we could afford it.
We like the '86 better. For one, I didn't think the lowers vents on the Waterhead allow enough air thru for hot weather riding. So while engine heat on the '86 never intrudes into into the cockpit or pillion, the '16 was a nut roaster. Them radiators didn't work as well as what I expected to keep the engine heat away from the rider.
We decided we'll take the first month's payment and put soft lowers on the '86 that can be removed or installed in a couple minutes, a Kenwood marine radio so we got tunes, make an upgrade to the seat so it's more like the '16, then enjoy the next 100,000 miles totally payment free and not have to worry about the cam chain tensioners wearing out or keeping the latest software updates in our motorcycle.
It's still fun to go look at bikes. Sometimes we see things that give us ideas on customizations we can make to ours. But if we are representative of Evo owners, what we already got is too damn nice to get us to part with it, and the money that would go into payments on a new one can be spent on riding all over hell and enjoying it.
So I don't think it's a thing where they're past the point of being dealer material, because they would give us what I thought was a fairly good price for it.
But we didn't go for it even though we could afford it.
We like the '86 better. For one, I didn't think the lowers vents on the Waterhead allow enough air thru for hot weather riding. So while engine heat on the '86 never intrudes into into the cockpit or pillion, the '16 was a nut roaster. Them radiators didn't work as well as what I expected to keep the engine heat away from the rider.
We decided we'll take the first month's payment and put soft lowers on the '86 that can be removed or installed in a couple minutes, a Kenwood marine radio so we got tunes, make an upgrade to the seat so it's more like the '16, then enjoy the next 100,000 miles totally payment free and not have to worry about the cam chain tensioners wearing out or keeping the latest software updates in our motorcycle.
It's still fun to go look at bikes. Sometimes we see things that give us ideas on customizations we can make to ours. But if we are representative of Evo owners, what we already got is too damn nice to get us to part with it, and the money that would go into payments on a new one can be spent on riding all over hell and enjoying it.