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Old Sep 12, 2015 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Durango Dave
so everything marked BT (Big Touring?) is an EVO engine? Where'd these stats come from?
BT means Big Twin, a term that has been used for decades to differentiate the main line engines from the smaller stuff. 883, 1200, 750, etc. In that list, an 80 BT would be a Shovel, and an 03 would be a TC for instance. EVO would be 84-00, with both EVO and TC being built in 2000.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2015 | 12:09 PM
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the numbers for 85 appear accurate. i knew less than 34k were made but i didn't know the exact number.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2015 | 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Harley-Davidson
Good info - where'd you find that?

From what I've seen, certain Evo models are already more valuable and desirable than early 2000's Twin Cams.

Ken - we're going on the Lake Superior Circle Tour, leaving on the 17th and going clockwise around the lake. We're going to take a deviation south and stop in at Tomahawk on Sunday on the way home. It will be the first long cruise on the '86 now that I have her in tip-top shape.
we stay in wausau and usually leave there sunday AM. oh well, i was hoping to meet up with you. there's a packers game in GB sunday and i help a friend of mine park cars at his house, i've been doing that for over 30 years.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2015 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Owtlaw
BT means Big Twin, a term that has been used for decades to differentiate the main line engines from the smaller stuff. 883, 1200, 750, etc. In that list, an 80 BT would be a Shovel, and an 03 would be a TC for instance. EVO would be 84-00, with both EVO and TC being built in 2000.
While both were built in 2000 the EVO was only used in one bike (FXR4) so I think the numbers would be way in favor of the TC's that year.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2015 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by texashillcountry
While both were built in 2000 the EVO was only used in one bike (FXR4) so I think the numbers would be way in favor of the TC's that year.
And both were built in 99 as well. I was really thinking of 99 being the crossover year and not 2000....... Only about 900 produced in 2000 as opposed to all the Softys in 99.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2015 | 07:12 PM
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It is worth considering that even though something was produced in large volume, as it gets older, there are fewer specimens surviving.

Add to that the nostalgia factor, and you can see where the desirability would be greater, although monetarily might not be much.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2015 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Prot
It is worth considering that even though something was produced in large volume, as it gets older, there are fewer specimens surviving.
I'd go with that. Except that some species survive better than others. Sometimes a new species appears and wipes the old species out. Other times, the new species has its heyday and dies off, and the old species still survives.

I think H-D realized that the Evo was born to survive. They had to change to something not as quite as long-lived or they wouldn't be able to sell new bikes anymore. It's amazing how many Twin Cams there are from the early 2000's that don't even have 50,000 miles on 'em.

I pulled into the Harley dealer one day on the '89 when we still had it and parked next to a fellow on a twinkie Road Glide. We made some small talk and I told him I was there to get some new rubber isolators for the rear exhaust hangers. He says, "I've never had any problems with my bike" as he sort of glanced at my speedometer. Then he goes, "WHOA! You actually ride that thing - I only got 7,500 miles on mine in three years!"

I told him, "yeah, we put on that many miles in the last month and we're heading to Alaska tomorrow."

The reply was simply "Damn!" as I walked towards the door while he stood there looking at the bike.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2015 | 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Prot
It is worth considering that even though something was produced in large volume, as it gets older, there are fewer specimens surviving.
There is some truth in that! In fact I suggest there are several reasons why they 'disappear'. Plainly new bikes are likely to get used the most, simply because they are new. At the other end of the spectrum are those that are hiding in someone's shed, waiting for the 'day'!

Mrs B and I stopped at a filling station in Illinois IIRC for refreshments, while riding our Glide, and got to talk to several customers. One of them told us he had stripped his Sporty to repaint it about ten years ago. He reckoned the paint should be dry by now and he really should rebuild it! I suspect there are many Harleys in a similar condition - they don't die, simply rest up for a while!
 
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Originally Posted by Harley-Davidson
I'd go with that. Except that some species survive better than others. Sometimes a new species appears and wipes the old species out. Other times, the new species has its heyday and dies off, and the old species still survives.

I think H-D realized that the Evo was born to survive. They had to change to something not as quite as long-lived or they wouldn't be able to sell new bikes anymore. It's amazing how many Twin Cams there are from the early 2000's that don't even have 50,000 miles on 'em.

I pulled into the Harley dealer one day on the '89 when we still had it and parked next to a fellow on a twinkie Road Glide. We made some small talk and I told him I was there to get some new rubber isolators for the rear exhaust hangers. He says, "I've never had any problems with my bike" as he sort of glanced at my speedometer. Then he goes, "WHOA! You actually ride that thing - I only got 7,500 miles on mine in three years!"

I told him, "yeah, we put on that many miles in the last month and we're heading to Alaska tomorrow."

The reply was simply "Damn!" as I walked towards the door while he stood there looking at the bike.
The way I understood it the patent ran out on the EVO motor and then anybody could make one (Harley wasn't getting its cut anymore) which is why they redesigned the motor to a TC.

I'm not sure if the waterheads are enough of a redesign to keep their patent going for the TC's but that is the newest Harley motor.

It's a simple money thing.
 
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Originally Posted by Owtlaw
And both were built in 99 as well. I was really thinking of 99 being the crossover year and not 2000....... Only about 900 produced in 2000 as opposed to all the Softys in 99.
That's what I think too.
 
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