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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 06:28 AM
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In your case unless the backside blew out too the rollers might not be IN the engine.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 07:28 AM
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It's easy to account for the rollers, but there's also chunks of bearing race in there.

 
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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 08:27 AM
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I'm trying to get my head around how that happened to blow out like that???

Would be interested in seeing lifters, cam, etc

Looks like something embedded into the aluminum at the lower left, to the left of the free bearing needle sitting all by itself? To me it looks like a piece of the bearing case??? (just guessing) Not sure what I am seeing but I see somethin.
 

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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by electricgeoff
This bike is in exceptional condition so it’s worth saving but IDK how much is too much when it’s an extra bike. The shop suggested finding a used engine.
If you think you might want a used one, I have one from a 98 Electra Glide we put a 113" motor in sitting in the garage. Has about 26k on it.
Was going to do the SE heads/cam swap/etc., but I have a stock(ish) 80 in my 98 RK I might do instead when it's needed. I have all the parts, so no biggie.

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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 09:06 AM
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When the rollers come out in an EVO engine, (either from the cam or lifter bearings) they tend to drop down to the pick up tube that returns oil to the pump. The rollers then get between the gears in the pump, grind the small pieces and pass them through the system, and eventually get a piece big enough to lock up the pump, and then shear one or more keys. There's the key on the pinion shaft drive gear, the key on the oil pump drive gear, the key on the return side gear, and the key on the feed side gear. Because of all the swarf that floats through the system when this happens, the proper repair is to remove & clean the oil pan, replace the oil lines (and cooler if equipped), remove the engine, split the cases, clean/inspect/repair any damage, and replace every bearing & the lifters. Replace any out of spec/worn components & rebuild. Not cheap, but peace of mind rarely is...
 
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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by electricgeoff
93' ultra classic lost oil pressure. the shop said it was the cam bearing that failed and the needles siezed the oil pump. they said that they could only find 23 of the 29 needles. my question is how possible is it to recover the rest of the bearings. I'm assuming they must be in the crank case.
I believe the stock only had 23 needles if they're all accounted for don't split the case but replace the oil pump .
 
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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by harleyrider06010
I believe the stock only had 23 needles if they're all accounted for don't split the case but replace the oil pump .
No, no. The evidence points to it being a Torrington full compliment cam bearing with 29 rollers. Until someone has an Evo INA bearing in hand and does the count like I did, I would not trust it. Bearing has to be for an Evo engine, because the cam bearings for T/Cs are different. They have slight higher roller count.

At this point, do what rigidthumper, myslef, and other folks are advising; split the cases and triage it from there. Take your time, since it's your second bike.
 
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Old Mar 10, 2022 | 02:45 PM
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I have an oem caged bearing at home, i will report back this eve. Came from my '98 RK, looked fine but i swapped it with a cam install.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by daven9113
No, no. The evidence points to it being a Torrington full compliment cam bearing with 29 rollers. Until someone has an Evo INA bearing in hand and does the count like I did, I would not trust it. Bearing has to be for an Evo engine, because the cam bearings for T/Cs are different. They have slight higher roller count.

At this point, do what rigidthumper, myslef, and other folks are advising; split the cases and triage it from there. Take your time, since it's your second bike.
this was my son’s bike so all this happened outside of my view because he lives 4 hours away. I loaned him the money for a replacement bike and he gave me this one. It is in remarkable shape for almost 30 years old so I want to save it. I’m going to take it apart and go through it. I have another ultra and a fatboy so I’m not in a rush to get it done before the weather warms up. I will check back in when it’s apart. Thanks to everyone for all the advice.
 
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 09:00 AM
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That bearing on the left is never going to get to 23 rollers









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