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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 05:57 PM
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Ok, I don't think this is the dreaded click although feel free to tell me I'm wrong. Every bike I've seen with the click problem is just that, a click with little or no amperage draw due to the solenoid not being able to pull in.

On my bike for the first start of each day, the starter pulls in hard and starts to turn the motor just a bit and then stops. There's a huge amperage draw and the headlight dims to just about nothing. Release the starter button, hit it again and it starts fine. It does this every day but only for the first start. After that, it starts just fine. Battery seems fine because if I don't choke it when it's cooled off a bit, it will crank well without starting until I let up and hit the enricher.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 06:59 PM
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Sounds like you need a new starter relay.
The OEM ones are made in Italy and don't last long.
 
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 07:00 PM
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Ok, I don't think this is the dreaded click although feel free to tell me I'm wrong. Every bike I've seen with the click problem is just that, a click with little or no amperage draw due to the solenoid not being able to pull in.
Make sure the ground connections are good but if that has a Nippondenso starter, I would guess the solenoid contacts are toast. And possibly the solenoid plunger as well. Those parts are common and available at starter rebuilder shops. Cooter
 
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 07:05 PM
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Sounds like you need a new starter relay.
The OEM ones are made in Italy and don't last long.
Opps I didn't know that machine used Italian starter. Disregard my other reply
 
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Old Jun 11, 2012 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by texashillcountry
Sounds like you need a new starter relay.
The OEM ones are made in Italy and don't last long.
It is not the starter relay (and what does being made in Italy have to do with it?).

The starter relay provides the juice to actuate the starter solenoid, the solenoid provides the juice to run the starter motor.

If the relay is not working, the starter will do nothing.

Check the simple stuff first, be sure all electrical connections are clean and secure.

Make sure the charging system and battery are in good health.

Inspect the solenoid contacts.

Make sure the ground connections are good but if that has a Nippondenso starter, I would guess the solenoid contacts are toast. And possibly the solenoid plunger as well. Those parts are common and available at starter rebuilder shops. Cooter
Agreed, these Nippon Denso starters (`89 and later Harleys) are commonly used on a lot of small automobiles, and any decent starter shop will have whatever you need for them.

The easiest way to spot a good starter shop: when you walk in, you will see old starters, generators and alternators all over the place, piles of them...If it looks like a disorganized junk yard full of this stuff, you are in the right place.
 

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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 08:51 AM
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Opps I didn't know that machine used Italian starter. Disregard my other reply
An Italian relay to operate a Japanese starter on an American bike with Japanese suspension, Australian wheels and a variety of Taiwanese and Chinese components, enjoyed by riders around the World! A truly wonderful International brand.

Best enjoyed on British tyres..........
 
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
It is not the starter relay (and what does being made in Italy have to do with it?).

The starter relay provides the juice to actuate the starter solenoid, the solenoid provides the juice to run the starter motor.

If the relay is not working, the starter will do nothing.

Check the simple stuff first, be sure all electrical connections are clean and secure.

Make sure the charging system and battery are in good health.

Inspect the solenoid contacts.
In my experience you are wrong. When my starter relay starts going out I get the dreaded click. I can hear the solenoid trying to work. Replace the relay and everything is fine.

Italian electronics suck.

Despite Dr. Hess voicing the same opinion in a different thread. A friend of mine bought a 1/4 million dollar machine from Italy. To make a long story short the Italian company that made the machine finally sent a tech over to get it working properly and after the tech checked it out he went and bout about $1000 of American made electronics to replace the Italian electronics and then the machine worked fine.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 10:21 AM
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Is your timing advanced too far? Sounds like kickback without the bang
 
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Originally Posted by texashillcountry
In my experience you are wrong. When my starter relay starts going out I get the dreaded click.
You need to go back and read the op`s post. His starter is turning, but the starter turns and then stalls.

If the starter is being energized, the relay is doing it`s job. Simple.

Take a look at the wiring diagram and you will see what I mean.
 
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Old Jun 12, 2012 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
You need to go back and read the op`s post. His starter is turning, but the starter turns and then stalls.

If the starter is being energized, the relay is doing it`s job. Simple.

Take a look at the wiring diagram and you will see what I mean.
Yup. Although you are both correct about different views. A bad relay will give you the dreaded click but this is not that IMO. I believe I need to rip the starter apart. Of all the things that are impossible to get down here it's amazing that we have an electric motor shop that fits the exact description of Dan89 and these guys are good.

I suppose the timing could be off as even when warm if I don't goose the throttle twice before cranking it, it will kick back. Thing is that it runs too good and too cool to be advanced that much. To check the timing, I need another plug as someone trashed the threads on mine. Looks like they melted the thing. Something here about loaning out tools. . .
 
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